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I'm fucking confused and annoyed at the minute about many things. What's bothering you guys?
Many things. Many, many things. Far too many to list.
First off-the realization that I drove 600 Miles to hear the new Radiohead Cd has finally set in.
Secondly-The Cd in question wont be released until June 5th and I want it NOW
Thirdly- I took the day off from school but I'm bored as hell.
Fourthly- I hate High School
Fifth- My house is to quiet
Sixth- My Website is not coming along like I hoped
Seventh- I need a haircut... the other day I looked like Noel Gallagher.
Eighth- I'm currently at peace with the world and I am subsequently left with no one to argue with (Chris, any offers?... I'm very bored)
Ninth- Has anyone been to Themakeoutclb.com ? really odd folk there!
Tenth- I was having fun writing this list but I'm done now and that sucks because now I'm bored again... Damn.
Stop whinnying M8
I took the day off from school today too, its quite nice. My house is'nt too quiet though, I've got Doolittle on in the background and I'm content with things.
However the reason I took off school is because their having one of those disgusting "Diversity" lectures, but this one is all day and you have to do things in groups, and since everyone already hates my friends and I(aparently we are snobby, mean, and pretentious) I, along with many others I chose to surround myself with did not attend.
God, I hate high school.
Problem 1: Airplanes flying over my apartment are starting to annoy me.
Solution 1: Barbed wire and barrage balloons.
Problem 2: The fat women at RCTC pull their books along behind them in tote-a-long bags, hit the handicapped button on doors, and take elevators when steps are faster. Then they whine about how fat they are.
Solution 2: Cut off power to elevator. Force them to carry their books on their backs. Put the handicapped button down lower on doors so they can't get to em without bending over. More barbed wire and barrage balloons.
Problem 3: Drivers on beltline are way too slow and always drive in the wrong lane.
Solution 3: Force up gas prices for elderly only. Mandatory drivers test at age 70. Forward mounted paintball gun on my car. Umm... more barrage balloons.
Problem 4: Annoying people in my class keep asking stupid questions and suck up all the lecture time.
Solution 4: Force people to accept the fact that there is such a thing as a "stupid" question, and alert people when they ask one. Barbed wire. Maybe some more barrage balloons too.
I'm gay.....
Well I dident say this last message either...
Wow chris... I guess you read my message! Hmmmm? life is getting conflicted again ay!
aw bless why is that imposter person picking on Zach+--------?
Wasn't me...
anyway, what is Shifty so confused and annoyed about? Still finding a place?
My problems are that the old flu thing's back again, and that there's a four day holiday in which i got nothing good to do.
Ok, now it's off my chest.
I have many mnay problems. It would take far too long to tell them. And, would require a professional to deal with them so I'll give you guys the shortlist.....
*ehem*
1. I have just finished writing a novel and know not what to do with my time now that it is finished.
2. I can't seem to get my laces tied in the mornings
3. I have trouble with buttons
6. I can't count
9. I feel my brain is expanding to the size of the whole universe because of all the knowledge I am retaining.
7. The aliens living in my roof have not moved out even though their lease has run out.
5. My alter ego is taking over my body day by day and ever so slowly.
10. I am beginning to talk like I am from New York
3. I find it hard to remember my name
19. My bedroom is built on an indian burial ground and all sorts of Ammetyville Horror shit is happening.
2. I don't know what's wrong with my carpet
1. I have too much time on my hands.
Well, that's about it. I'm off for my daily dose of prozac.
Later :o)
1. Use your time to tackle your many problems.
2. Buy slip-ons.
3. Buy a T-shirt.
6. Watch Sesame Street.
9. No cure. Your head will explode soon. Try not to think about it.
7. Charge admission for tourists to visit your roof. The aliens will soon get pissed off with being photographed on the toilet and so on.
5. This may be a good thing. Get to know your alter-ego. What does he do for fun? What keeps him awake at night? Maybe people will like him more than they like you.
10. Move to New York.
3. It's sam. SAM.
19. Refer to 7.
2. Maybe nothing's wrong with your carpet. Maybe it's YOU that has a problem! Did you ever stop and consider that?
1. Cut off your hands.
1. she prefers to stalk rather than go straight for the kill
2. that's what old people wear
3. she's a drummer even T-shirts give her problems
6. she already does
9. her ego is too big to allow that
7. they don't have a toilet. they are an advanced race with no need for bathroom facilities
5. what keeps him awake is that he's not getting enough money. for fun he throws snare drums at fellow musicians. people don't seem to like him much right now, tho he has a cult following, rather like sam herself, tho everyone does like her
10. she is moving to New York NY as soon as humanly possible..... hopefully not the Italian section, otherwise she'd fit in far too well and i'd never be able to find her
3. are you sure about that?
19. she doesn't want to be held liable for deaths of tourists.
2. she has many problems, but the carpet has far more, i've seen it. trust me on this one, it needs help.
1. maybe she could just wear her watch on her wrist rather than her hands..... as a drummer her hands are pretty valuable.
Problem1: I want to drop out from school. But I can't as I won't get any money if I don't go to school. And I won't get a job without an education.
So what am I going to do?
Problem2: I want to move out from my home, I wan't to get my own apartment. BUT I can't as I don't have any money to pay the rent with. And you have to be really rich if you want an appartment in Stockholm.
So what am I going to do?
Problem3: I don't wanna get a job when I drop out from school as I wanna be an activist all day 
But I don't get any money when I try to make the world better, do I? No.
So what am I going to do?
Problem4: I want to kiss someone, but no-one wants to kiss me.
So what am I going to do?
Problem5: I want to go and hit a nazi as they're fucked up in their brain. But I'm not brave enough and I'm not very strong. And I'm really scared to get hit by them.
WHAT THE HELL AM I GONNA DO?
Any solutions for my probs?
1. Stay in school.
2. Stay in school. Don't be in so much of a rush to grow up.
3. Stay in school, then get a job and be an activist in your spare time. People will take more notice of you if you're an upstanding citizen, rather than a drop-out.
4. Stay in school and make friends with people. Don't be in so much of a rush to grow up.
5. Stay in school. You might learn that violence is not the answer, and you shouldn't hurt people because their beliefs differ from yours, no matter how extreme or wrong they seem.
Don't stay in school if you don't want to, Cazza. Your reasons for hating it are probably very valid. Education is important, but so are your feelings about school. In my opinion, high~school is only a place where you've got to learn to tolerate people you hate and take a lot of abuse, especially if you look even remotely unconventional. The money thing is a great worry, however. Compromise might be of some use, ie ~ only attending school when you absolutely have to. My own dear brother did this, & is now triumphantly on the verge of completing a Phd. I know that sounds a bit pompous, but I'm just pointing out that you can skip a great deal of school and still be an academic success. He's got a groovy job, too. As for activism, what sort of activism did you have in mind? Oh, & I think you're entitled to piss off the Nazis as much as you like. Violence probably is NOT the answer, as Anonymous says. But there are plenty of subtler ways to annoy Nazis. Make prank calls to their homes, or something.
Gee, I'm sounding like an old woman here, & so far as I recall, I'm only a year or two older than you.
Oh, but I'm sure someone wants to kiss you, Cazza ~ maybe they just haven't told you.
Anonymous> Ok *sighs* I guess I will have to stay in school then. I mean, after all I just have 2 years left. Only. Eh.
And it's not that bad really. Just the school system is fucked upp. etc etc etc.
Ana> Thats your name, isnt it? Shit I'm starting to forget everyones names in here Sorry.
Anyway, yeah education is important. But there is some things that are more important. Like activism.
What kinda of actvism I have in mind?
Eh... animal rights actvism, I really want to be a Animal Liberation activist. But I have to think more about that.
And then I'm an anti-capitalist-anarkosyndicalist-antimostofthebadthings So an activist in that aswell.
Well violnce isnt always good. But its not always bad either.
But there is 2 different kind of violences:
violence againts people and violence against material things.
I prefer the second one. Like smash up McDonalds resturantes *JOKING* ; )
And atleast. No. Noone wants to kiss me. I'm really sure of that.
Byebye and hugs
//cazza
Go capitalism!!! But down with nazis.
Aww Cazza - Just grab someone and kiss them. Even if you get whacked, you'll feel better. : )
U CAN KISS ME IF U WANT 2!
LOL
OMG
FUCKING HELL!! Oops I sweared but I couldnt help it hehe!! WHO IS THAT GUY IN THE PIX?????
OMG
IT IS I! LADIES! FORM AN ORDERLY CUE! FITTEST ONES TO THE FRONT PLEASE!
How can you defend capitalism Chris? Give me one good argument to why capitalism is good - in the long run!
I guess one good thing about capitalism is that if we were not capitalists in any way, shape or form, we wouldn't have computers and couldn't argue online about capitalism.
With this topic in mind, please indulge me when I say firstly how dreadfully nervous I am about auditioning tomorrow to play a girl who gets her head cut off. Secondly, I am sick and tired of having my ego run into the ground. Of course, that is NOT a reference to anybody from these parts (!). But in the course of 72 hours, I have been told I am childish, mad, annoying, vain & an all round hideous source of disappointment. Just what I need.
I know this is self~indulgent whinging, but I DID need to get it off my chest.
Yes. But do we have to be capitalist to make a computer? I don't think so. : )
I was just thinking about capitalism on the bus this morning.
*waiting for Kenzie to discover this topic and to go off on some long drawn out tangent about how capitalism is responsible for the creation of third world countries and other such things that she learned in cultural anthropology, in fear, as she never shuts up* haha.
You don't need capitalism to make computers, you need WAR. It is in times of war that most leaps in technology happen. It was in World War II that computers were invented, and jet engines, and thousands of other small things that you take for granted all come from the minds of people wanting to make better killing machines. The overhead cam shaft in your car? First used in Spitfires to give greater thrust at high speed.
And then the majority of new technologies since the second world war have been made in the preparation of war. During the Cold War we gained the internet, space travel, etc, etc, etc. Again, things you would never think of are results from research into better ways of killing.
Capitalism isn't needed, war is much more productive.
Necessity is the mother of invention yeah? Why bollock on with all that shite when you can just put it simply m8? thats wot my old man always said to me. A smart bloke he is too. He wuz a bit of a baddy when he was a young lad, but he kinda straigtened out after he got out from jail that second time and now he earns a good, decent wage at the factory yeah. Its not a glamourous job by any stretch of the imagination, but it puts food on the table for us hungry lads when we were growing up yeah. Ya cant ask for anything more, can yer? Nah.
But Cazza, what is wrong with people who make money themselves, by themselves. People like Richard Branson, a self made billionaire who owns Virgin.Come on Cazza, we are always gonna live in a caplitalist world.
Hahahhaa... So he does all the work himself? Bullshit!
He must have WORKERS if he has a company! And then he is a capitalist.
Capitalism is bad bad bad bad! Try to understand that for once, Liam. And no, we don't have to live in a capitalistic world for ever. If you and I and everyone else change the situation. Now!
Cazza, did you look up what it was like for the common folk in the former USSR? That was a non-capitalist society. My Uncles partner lived there, and she prefers capitalism. Everyone may have been equal, but it's no good having the money if theres nothing to spend it on.
And Richard Branson? Hero. My Dad used to buy records from him when Virgin was one small room on the second floor of a shop in London. He's done it all himself, and fair play to him. You're just jealous.
Cazza,if u had loads of money, u would be loving it.
Richard Branson did start it all himself and he is a true 20th century hero!
It is not possible to live in a non capitalistic world and u cannot change it Cazza. U are fighting a losing battle.
Madonna was right, we are living in a material world and Cazza u are a material girl.
I would need a great deal of knowledge & technical expertise to "make" my own computer, Miss Cazza. I can't be bothered learning, & even if I did, I'd need money to buy all the little bits and pieces I imagine you need to create a computer. So I'd still be indulging in capitalistic EVIL, EVIL, EVIL, indirectly I guess.
And I have to agree with R~S~P ~ what do you suggest should supplant the capitalist "system"? It's not much use just rushing around shrieking, "Capitalism is BA~A~A~D!" without being able to suggest a viable alternative. I'm not being nasty ~ it's jolly good to question "the system", but it seems a little like bourgeois posturing to denounce everything about Capitalism at the same time as using it to express yourself, AND possibly benefiting from it in other ways. Not that this is what you're doing, of course...
And I'm not carrying a ruddy great torch for Capitalism either. But as R~S~P said, life in the U.S.S.R didn't seem to be a barrel of laughs for anyone, either.
Oh, & ta for all the heartwarming advice & reassurance, folks!
Look all those ppl who were running round smashing McDonalds shops up and stuff like that were just ferals who deserve a bullet hehe..Sorry but that's just the way it is!! If they all got decent haircuts and bought some better clothes then they would probably be able to get jobs and then they wouldnt have anything to complain about, would they hehe? NO!!
You ppl just don't understad, do you.
You must be thick or something in your heads.
And yea. Capitalism is BAAAAAAAAD!
Because
> Its responsible for the situation in the poor countries.
> Blame the bad environment on capitalism
etc etc etc etc. Theres NOTHING good with capitalism!
Butter> GAh. I didnt mean YOU to make the computer on your own! But we dont need BIG HUGE CAPITALISTIC companies to make them!
So who will make them then Cazza?The computers that is?
And dont say The People will make them cuz they will not work for free.The people that will be making the computers will want to be payed.
Cazza your the thick one here?
How lucky we are to have Cazza and OutOfOrder to stimulate our soggy brains with all this deep, well-researched social philosophy! Surely two arguments of such incredible lucidity and persausiveness have never had the misfortune of opposing each other. Now, now, kiddies, sit up straight. An Australian dollar for the first to quote either Marx or Smith!
So Cazza, what to do with the first man to stand against you? Shoot him? And the next? Shoot him too? Why not shoot everyone, and then invade Poland?
Bloody fascist.
Well, I help find jobs for people in some capitalistic companies, which means *my* job is secure, and I get enough money to eventually marry my girlfriend and live happily every after.
Hurrah for capitalism!
(Sorry Kenz)
I love the word "Facist." It really is a great word. Not beause of its meaning... just cos its a fun word to say. You know, Like Ubangie.
You are not sorry you horrible little booger! lol. : P
How the hell can you say hurrah for capitalism! You don't even know what it is!
Chris> What? Shoot who? I'm not gonna shoot anyone, bloody idiot. A revolution doesn't have to be a violent-revolution.
And who's the facsist here? YOU are! Capitalism is indirect killing lots of ppl every day. How can anyone defend that?
Are you using Microsoft Windows on that computer Cazza?
Just checking. You might wanna switch to Linux.
It's kind of annoying to be forced into sticking up for Capitalism, because it does have its flaws, but as always, 'tis a case of don't throw the bébé out with the bath water, Miss Cazza. I MEAN, HOW MANY PEOPLE DID STALIN KILL IN THE NAME OF COMMUNISM?? (Or was it Lenin? I can't remember.) But I'm hardly going to start shrieking about how evil Communism is, just because millions of people died in its name. (I mean, I COULD, but it's not a fair argument, just as I don't really think it's fair to blame everything wrong with the world on Capitalism.)
The Symbionese Liberation Army were an anti Capitalist, left~wing terrorist gang in the 1970's. In the name of anti~Capitalist "revolution", they kidnapped a 19 year old girl named Patty Hearst. She was heiress to the squillion dollar Hearst newspaper fortune. That movie so many Film Students get tortured with, "Citizen Kane", was based upon the story of her rabidly right~wing grandfather, a man who practically RAN Hollywood in the 20's, 30's and 40's. Of course, poor Patty Hearst was not personally to blame for this, she was just reaping the Capitalist rewards. Nevertheless, the Symbionese Liberation Army regarded her as a sort of evil symbol, keeping her tied up and blind~folded in a closet for two months. They raped her, emotionally tortured her by raving non~stop about the evils of Capitalism, & finally succeeded in brainwashing the poor girl into believing they were really her only friends. So, Patty Hearst changed from a Capitalist spoilt teenage brat into a flaming, bitter revolutionary, amazing the whole world by sending out tape recordings saying she had changed her name to "Tania", and was joining her captors in their worthy fight against Capitalism. She robbed a bank for them. She helped them blow up police cars. She opened fire with a machine gun to save her captors from being arrested, and in nearly 2 years, never once tried to escape.
Of course, it later was shown that these anti~Capitalist funsters were just a bunch of cruel, bossy, pretentious bullies who had treated Patty Hearst so abominably that she psychologically had become a slave, with no will or mind of her own. (She still went to jail, though.)
Now...do I conclude from this sad and sorry saga that all things left~wing and anti~Capitalist are evil?
It doesnt take too much global awareness or compassion to realise that capitalism in it's current incarnation is hurting a LOT of people in our world. I certainly wouldnt go nearly as far as describing Richard Branson as a hero, unless you view financial success in the Business World as being the ultimate glory for someone in Modern Life Today. Cazza may be putting her "points" across crudely, but she does have 'em (I assume. Well, all the other people who are sprouting the same concerns right now across the world have them, anyway.) Saying capitalism is "BAAAAD, why cant u see that?" also doesnt make much sense to me however, because it's the most viable system we've seen, despite the harrowing fact that it contributes to leaving half the world in poverty. When it comes to the crunch though, it's ultimately not fair to billions of people as a "system", and I dont understand how you lot can flippantly defend it in such an old fashioned, one-eyed fashion... ("Is there a red under your bed?!!!11 Out damn traitor!!1") even though there is no easy fix and a dearth of acceptable options right now.
Did I make sense? I'm not exactly at most most clear right now.
I'm not being old fashioned or one eyed! After all, it was I who suggested that Miss Cazza take the arguably more "revolutionary", "radical" option of dropping out of school if she hated it, and she chose to listen to that DRATTED Anonymous and stay there!!!1 Which, I ask you, was the more sensible (conservative) option?
It's basically the way in which the lovely Miss Cazza presents her case that forces 'us lot' to get riled up a bit. It's impossible to not take it a bit personally when someone is barking dogmatically at you over a computer that everything about the society you live in is wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong. Especially when there's plenty about the world you live in that you enjoy. Rightly or wrongly, it's human nature Occifer~Person, just like Madonna says!1
I never said I was on the side of 'Capitalism', any way, since I'm not sure I fully understand what Miss Cazza even means by it. The entire Western World? All the most upper middle class, bourgeouis twats at my school used to go crazy spouting this clichéd East=Good/West=Bad argument, so naturally I'm inclined to be sceptical.
I dunno Cazza, why not take up the cause of feminism instead? It feels like it has more to do with me personally, even though with the exception of Germaine Greer and Naomi Wolf, most feminist texts are rather difficult to relate to (personally). Ie, the ENDLESS examples of various bad things some men have done. It often seems to be presented as the NORM, which certainly doesn't match my experience. That, however, is a whole other Pandora's Box...
I was taking issue with certain things OutOfOrder, R~S~P, Cazza and Angie had said, more than anything you had said, Butter~Person. As I mentioned to you elsewhere, I hadnt read your post until after I posted my own anyway. It was just all this ridiculous 'taking sides' when both sides are so obviously flawed which got my goat. And if I remember correctly, you'd suavely swerved away from such simple-minded foibles anyhow, had you not?
Communism killed many ppl, yes. But just becasue you're an anti-capitalist you don't have to like communism, do you? I don't like communism. I'm not a communist. I don't belive in it at all. Only so you know...
Yes, I'm aware of that I should put up my arguments better. I would if I could. Sorry, but my english isn't that good. And it's really annoying and frustrating that I can't explain and say tings like I want to just because of the language.
Ehm.. Okay.. Feminism you said. Ofcourse I'm a feminist - but I don't hate men if you think so...
Feminism isn't about hating men. It's about men and women having the same rights and being equal.
Communism is more like a platonic ideal. Really, when you think about what its basic principles are... it does sound nice But it the real world, it isn't possible. The communist 'utopia' is a very romantic idea. Just not possible, and when people try to make it possible, bad things happen.
Its not the socialists that scare me, its the nationalists. Communist leaders tend to get those two mixed up.
And here's the part you were sort of waiting for Paige:
Everyone on the earth would have been considerably happier had they not discovered agriculture. The human race as we know it comes soon after that. Cos after agriculture...irrigation... specialized laborers....big cities... rulers....currency... and eventually capitalism. (And in some cases bloody sacrifices like in the Mayan and Aztec culture, but that doesn't really fit right now) ANYWAYS! Everyone should have stuck to either Hunter/Gatherers or Pastoral societies. THOSE were true communist socities. And people were happy. That is all.
wow, political debate...... i'm impressed by you guys..... it must be easy to discuss politics when you come from a country that isn't run by Mr Garrison from south park :þ we aussies are so lucky hehehehe..... mind you, the great US of A is being run by porky pig..... what's next? rojer ramjet for british prime minister? hahahahahahahahahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
I dont know what you're talking about ANN, but its sounds funny anywayz hehe. Porky pig LOL.
Excuse me Mr Brett hehe, dont let anyone give you any crap ok cuz I can tell that you could be a very spunky boy with a lot of female admirers if u scrubbed up a little bit hehe. Its not hard!!! I'll help u!!
*OK* let's begin... *rubs hands together* If u come and stay with me for 3 weeks then I'll turn you into a real sexy beast that ALL the girlz will be chasin after!!! Deal? PLEAZE!!!!?!
Ok first off me and u would be going to Aerobics every morning and sometimes Pump class in the afternoon hehe. We'd get u looking trim, taut and terrific in NO TIME!!! I can tell u have a real sexy masculin bod under that flubby stuff Bretty! But dont u worry, u and me can work you into Top Shape quicksmart! I have a spare man's leotard that my buddy Julian used to wear to Aerobics b4 he died that u can wear now Bretty, kay? Dont worry, its black so u look very masculine in it hehe.
Then on Thursday night we'll go out and paint the town RED!! I have loadz of *cool* girlfriends Bretty and u can tag along with us and we'll have a BLAST hehe!! If u loose the mutton-chops u'd look real handsome Bretty! Do u own a shaver razor thingy yeah?? hehe Its ok if u dont cuz I have one that I shave my legs with, but u can use it to shave your face if u want.
Anywayz I know heapz of other ways to make a man look *HOT* so I'll help u out when the time comes hehe.
EMAIL ME BIG BRETT!!! lilestkitten@hotmail.com
Luv,
*ANGIE!*
Communism isn't good cos it's a stong leader who has the power. And I don't like the idea. I say: Power to the people and everything would be good. A true democraty doesn't have a leader, in my opinion.
So away with all the bad leaders, who just wants money and power. And we can show them all what a good world is.
A fool's Utopia.
See Cazza, I understand that u want POWER to the people, an dthat the PEOPLE will rule. BUT...what happens when people dont agree with the general way things are going,a nd who is to say that your way of running the world will work any better??
Not having a leader is unworkable. Imagine if there had to be a referendum on every little decision that a government makes! No~one would ever get anything done. Running a country is a full time job, which is exactly why there has to be an elected leader/group of leaders to do it. Cazza, imagine if everyone affected by a decision had to be consulted on it first. It would take months for the smallest thing to get done. The idea of not having a leader is nonsensical.
Everyone would do their own thing, there would be no laws, no justice. There would be murder on the streets, people stealing whatever they feel like. It just wouldn't work.
Chris is totally right. Even if you don't have chosen leaders, ones emerge. Look at history. Even your most "democratic" civilizations weren't really. Take Greece for example: Only men were allowed to take part in the government. Easily remedied these days I realize. But the problem is, that those who don't have as much time to spend working on government issues, get out voted by those who do. And those who do have that kind of time are the elites. People from a lesser economic standing always need to spend their time elsewhere making ends meet. Jezuz. I wrote this whole huge paper on this last semester. The point is, that the people in power generally are the small circle of elites no matter the measures taken to ensure that everyone has equal access to the participation of one's government. Its a matter of economics and logic. And if you're talking that you have to take even futher measures to make sure everyone is equal under their government, you are talking communism, not democracy.
One of my tutors is obsessed with all that 'POWER TO DA PEOPLE!' stuff & forces our class to put it into practice. It's so corny, and it DOESN'T work. We get told that everyone is an equal, that any of us can give instructions and ought to be taken seriously, but there's most definitely a pecking order in this class & it seems obvious that I'm at the bottom of it. A shy lesbian, a blissed~out stoner boy and your very own Butter~Person are the 'grunts' in that class. Everyone else is an 'officer' (as opposed to occifer), giving orders.
I really hate that class (it's called Creative Arts, but it's more like a drama class). We're divided into groups of three, & get told to plan practical acting exercises to perform at the end of each lesson.
Against my will, I'm teamed up with a boyfriend and girlfriend who completely ostracize me, ignoring my ideas even when I do try to join in. A few weeks ago, the teacher herself noticed I was being ignored & brought it up at the start of a lesson.
"You guys aren't being very comradely towards the Butter~Girl here!" she told them. "She's always sitting by herself while you two are doing whatever the hell it is you're doing."
Daniel, my 'team~mate' said I was welcome to join in any time I wanted, only I never seemed very interested in their ideas or discussions.
"What's YOUR perspective on this, Butter~Girl?" exclaimed our tutor. "Say what's on your mind, girl! Seize the day!" (Yes, she really did say that part, too.)
"Well, Daniel and Angela seem to have a sort of mutually exclusive relationship..."
Angela, my other team~mate, indignantly interrupted me: "We do NOT! I fuck who I want!"
That's the sort of class it is, you see.
Ever since then, both of them have become revoltingly ingratiating, going out of their way to get me to join in with their discussions. But their saccharine sweetness scarcely masks their disdain. "Butter~Girl!" Angela will say sweetly each week, "Daniel and I are going to work on improvisation and voice projection! Would you like to join us?"
"No thank~you," I reply, with my own feigned politeness. "I need to catch up on last weeks readings..."
Privately, I've decided of everyone in this class, these two are the most annoying and pretentious as a matter of innate personality. I can't stand them.
Not that 'equality' and Communism or anything like that is to blame for this situation ~ it's just I'm just lumped in with a bunch of prats.
Sorry about that. Just thought this place needed a little light relief.
Ahem! Oh, yes...Cazza ~ I know feminism isn't the same as hating men. Unfortunately some of it does sound that way, though.
Butter, don't take this personally yeah but christ you sound like one weird bitch.
How is she not supposed to take that personally Micky?
Kenz - What you're talking about is text book. I totally agree. Its not even provacative. It almost can't be debated.
Today is gone & it wont be long till we fall asleep & forget what we've done. We wont get up, cos today is fucked...we're alone! Hold on, I DID get up, & I'm busy typing out the most cringe-worthy script you could ever have the severe misfortune of laying your eyes upon. It's not my story idea, thank FUCK, but someone elses, and I just have to put it in script format by this afternoon for my Uni tutor. This is so painful. PAINFUL.
Anyhow, I just wanted to get that off my chest, as the topic suggested.
Damn. I wrote an answer to all this but it's not here. Fuck fuck fuck. Now, I'm not gonna write all that again. *sighs*
Yeah yeah yeah, sure you did. Great excuse. Just admit you were wrong and change the subject.
Didnt you meet cazza once, RSP? I remember u saying she was a Grand Lass lol.
Yeah!
The question:
Now that blurchat is finally back online, why has coping stopped working?
wtf
ah politics......what next?
but seriously you guys......what would happen if there was no definite class structure or some such organization like that. Capitalism, communism, socialism, nationalism, nazism, fascism, underground movementism, cut off their heads and join us-ism, buy this now-ism, colonialism, imperialism, I'm a dick but I'm your leader so agree with me-ism, this country's gone to shit-ism.....it's all part of the society in which we live and who we are as a whole, the BIG community of the world and if we don't sit up and accept what it's all about then you'll probably end up raging against this or that but it's folly, see, coz you'll still be in some sort of 'ism' group.......it's the way society works and has worked since cities were invented. Everyone falls into some sort of category and yes, it is usually based on this or that amount you bring in each year and yes, it is a product of the government and all that bullshit but we have to learn to live with it otherwise we'd be in more shit than we are and you'll all end up dead-ism.
harsh but true coz it's the way of things.
Yes, yes, though I think people were arguing here about which ism is the best, Sammy. And we're all going to end up "dead-ism" anyway, of course. Anyhow, how's Toowoomba these days? I was talking to that Bree girl the other day. She's moved down to Brisbane, it seems. Working in a souvenir shop, no less. Actually, I should point out that her main motivation for moving to Brisbane was to be closer to a nightclub, and not just any old nightclub, but 'THE BEAT'! The trashiest, seediest (& most bearable, I suppose) nightclub in town! I was still surprised that anyone would go to such lengths to get closer to it though.
Enough of this bollox, back to footy.
I gotta hand it to fucking Liverpool yeah, those lads did themselves proud this season. Fucking surprised a lot of punters, myself included. Winning a treble is a top grade achievement, no doubting that, but I still gotta say that Man Utds treble was way classier, WAY FUCKING CLASSIER!!!
Anyroad, I dont begrudge the Liverpool lads their time in the sun. Nice one lads. Well played lads, but we all know who is still the premier team in England, dont we eh? Fucking Man U, that's who. Yeah. Nice one. There can be no denying that, and if you try and deny it then your head is full of bollox and you deserve to be shot cuz your a TOSSER, yeah.
Hello to all the sexy Coping birds, anyroad. Keep emailing me luvs.
Luv,
Your Micky.
*IS SO MAD*
cant u see people were talking about politix in here???? U R INTERUPTING THEM DICKY AND I NEVER RING U, IN YOUR DREAMZ U STUPID SACK OF UGLY HORSEESHOT!
WAKE UP TO THE FACT THAT U R A LOOZER AND THE REST OF THE WORLD might start taking u seriously coz there are wayz and wayz of doing evreything arent there.
piss off,dont accuse me of ringing u I hevent done that u FUCKFACE. I'll be in touch with the police MYSELF about the harassment from your m8s and that girl Shee (the one with the big nipples hehe) has complained abuot you also
Hahahaboomboom! Well said Angie
You dont mind if I talk about footy do you just to proove Micky wrong?
Well, I've got a few things to say bout Man U, they are SCUM! total pathetic, arrogant, boring, over-rated, nasty, pigheaded SCUM.
Just like their supporters. Like Micky of course who fits the picture perfectly, I bet you dont come from Manchester do you? hahaha, so you dont support a proper local team like me?
I must admit Huddersfield haven't won quite as much as many trophies as Man U recently but I go to watch them every week and Ive supported them since I woz a nipper so Micky, take a leaf out of my book, hahaha, go and support Exeter City or Torquay or someone, get into some soccer pub fights, get arrested for invading the pitch a few times. Then you can call yourself a real fan, like your hero Bretty here.
And a big appology to the coping birds for talking about footy, you know I love you really, just need to shut micky up every now and then.
Thanx Brett Keep up the good work!! hehe
and Im sorry 4 the peeps here who were talking abuot politics,but it wasnt me who interupted it.
hey Occifer!!!
Woomby is fine....nice and cold just the way I like it....
I fully understand that the argument at hand was about which was the best....i just wanted to put my 2cents worth in, know what I'm sayin'?
To be truthful, I think my "ism" is the best coz I'm in it....hehehehehehehehe
but seriously.....
I'll try to stay out of political arguments in the future :o)
hehe Sammy.email me and Ill send u stuff I like to do.........
okay angie.....give us your email address then and I will :o)
What is the ALA exactly , could you explain it to me and tell me what it does exactly? I seached for info but all I got was the American Lumberjack Association which I Assume is something else ... Thanks
Very different I should hope. lol
I'm a lumberjack and I'm okay
Viciousness in the wires!
Hissing at my sins
(There is nothing between us.)
It is all an incantation, a window
An ugly screen blinking on and off like a terrible migraine
Stage curtains, strips for doors
And I, lover doll, am a pathological liar,
An unstrung puppet, kicking to disappear -
I'd call that dodgy schizophrenia,
A face red and white, a panic,
You stuck my kittens outside your window
In a sort of gloomy cement well
Where they crap and puke and cry and their mother can't hear.
You say you can't stand her,
The bastard's a girl.
You who have blown your tubes like a fucked radio
Clear of music and voices, stymied.
And you complain your boyfriend's just no good to you.
His Italian-Mama guards his sweet sex like a pearl.
You have one cat, I have two.
I should sit on a rock off Scarborough and comb my hair.
I should wear white Muslin, I should have an affair.
We should meet in another life, we should meet in air,
Me and you.
Meanwhile there's a stink of fat and animal crap.
I'm doped and thick from my last sleeping pill.
The smog of cooking, the smog of hell
As our heads float, two venomous opposites,
Our Bones, our hair.
It's such a Kaleidoscopic mess.
You call me, "Orphan/Fatherless child. You ARE ill!
Yet QUITE favored by nature."
In London, in Paris, the men said: "A virgin? Gee, sweetheart, you are rare."
Acting, acting, acting for the thrill.
The impotent boyfriend slumped out for a coffee.
A dog picked up that doggy boyfriend. He went on.
Now I am silent, hate
Up to my neck. Thick, thick
I do not speak.
I am packing the clothes.
I am packing the little cats.
It was love you were full of. You know who you hate.
He is hugging his ball and chain down by the gate.
Every day you have filled him with soul-stuff, like a jug.
You are so exhausted. Your voice, my ear-ring.
Flapping and sucking, a blood-loving bat.
That is that. That is that.
He peers through the door. Sad lad. Says: "Every woman's a whore. I can't communicate."
I see our cute décor
Close in on us like the fist of a baby
Or an anemone, Sweetheart, that kleptomaniac.
(I am still just ever so raw.)
I say I may be back.
You know what lies are for.
I am never, never, never coming home!
Not bad for fishing it out of my crapper huh?
LOL
Interview With Patty Hearst
Aired January 22, 2002 - 21:00 ET
LARRY KING, CNN HOST: Tonight, Patty Hearst exclusive. New charges brought in a notorious terrorist murder case could put her back on the witness stand and in the spotlight, we'll find out why, next on LARRY KING LIVE!
It's a great pleasure to welcome Patty Hearst to LARRY KING LIVE tonight. The former kidnapped newspaper heiress, presidentially pardoned ex-convict, served almost 2 years in prison for armed bank robbery and collaboration in terrorist activity. She was pardoned by president Clinton, just about a year ago and she's a potential star witness in a first degree murder case stemming from a 1975 bank robbery she took part in.
Let me just give you a little brief details. Last week on Wednesday five former members of the Symbionese Liberation Army were charged with first degree murder in an April 1975 bank heist. During that robbery at the Crocker National Bank in Carmichael, California, 42-year-old Myrna Opsahl, a customer who was depositing a weekend collection was shot and killed. Four of those charged, including Sara Jane Olson were arrested, the fifth suspect remains a fugitive. Kidnapped newspaper heiress Patty Hearst has long since admitted to driving the getaway car for that heist. Those charged are Sara Jane Olson, also known as Kathy Soliah, William Harris, William's former wife Emily, Michael Bortin and James William Kilgore. And James William Kilgore has yet to be apprehended. The other participants, Patty Hearst, Wendy Yoshimura and Steven Soliah have been granted immunity.
First, what did you make, Patty, of these arrests?
PATTY HEARST: Well, you know, it's been so long, Larry, and I feel that now there can be closure to this case. This has gone on far too long. When I was on trial in San Francisco for the SLA bank robbery there, I was talking to the investigators. I was talking to everyone I could and telling them, you know, of all the different crimes that the SLA had committed and there were numerous. And there seemed to be no interest, no interest in anything but the Hibernia Bank robbery, and no interest in prosecuting anyone but me for it. I told them about the Sacramento case. In 1990 I went before a grand jury and, you know, testified before the grand jury. But even before that, in 1980 I went so far as to write a book about what had happened. And I wrote all about the bank robbery, I went ahead and printed it even though I had no use immunity for it. And, quite frankly, I fully expected to be charged with murder, because they weren't charging anybody. I did it in terms of, I felt like I was throwing down the gauntlet saying look, this is what happened. There's a family out there that needed to know what happened. And I --
KING: So what do you make of it now? You say it's closure, are you surprised that they found -- there was DNA that led to this and the like. It took 27 years.
HEARST: I know, I just can't believe it. You know, I sat there and, you know, it's kind of -- and I told you, it's finally a moment where there's going to be a trial. There will be adjudication of this case. And it's been too long.
KING: Did you have any inkling the arrests were coming?
HEARST: I was told that they would probably be coming. But you know --
KING: And we're you told you'll also be a witness?
HEARST: Well, of course I would be a witness. I was going to be a witness in Los Angeles. I don't think there's any surprise in that.
KING: What did you make of the sentence given Sara Jane Olson?
HEARST: Well, California has kind of a peculiar sentencing arrangement. Publicly she's give an sentence of the two 10 to life consecutive sentences, and that will be reworked by the parole board. You know, I just feel like that's not in my hands at all.
KING: But how do you feel? Do you feel the sentence was fair, not fair? Should she have been forgiven 20 years leading a pretty good life?
HEARST: Well, you know, that's always -- people ask me things like why do you think they brought it now? What took them so long? Oh, she's been so quiet. What's the point in charging her? And -- oh, the sentence seems too long. I have heard a lot of things but you know what, Larry? She plead guilty because she was guilty. She plead guilty because there was a preponderance of evidence that she would have to face, including my testimony, not only my testimony. And the plea bargain that she made with that sentence was a brass ring for her. And she reached out and grabbed it. And all the back and forth and all of that nonsense, you know, I don't know what that was all about.
KING: What are your memories of her?
HEARST: She's a very forceful personality, a very determined person. You know, this is a woman who was able to drag her brother and her sister and as many friends as she could into the SLA with her. It's hard to know what to say about somebody like that, except there are people who look for trouble. And trouble is very easy to find when you go looking for it.
KING: All right, Patty, let's go back to that day at the Crocker National Bank in Carmichael, California, and in your own words, what happened?
HEARST: You know, this is really going to go to court and as I said, there's so much physical evidence. There is -- you know, there's receipts for rented cars and license plates and guns and hand prints and palm prints and fingerprints. You know, I want to wait until I'm in a court.
KING: Leaving that aside, what was the purpose of robbing that bank? Was it just for money? Was it to make a political statement? What was the reason that bank, that day? Forget fingerprints and that and the rest, that will come out in court.
HEARST: Well, you know, they were -- they were a terrorist group. They -- when I was kidnapped they published all of their statements about their war that they declared on the United States. And what they wanted to accomplish, and their purpose, this was considered a revolutionary action. It was an ex-appropriation of funds. Everything they said was in rhetoric and they wanted to include everyone on what this was considered a combat operation.
KING: Not to them a robbery?
HEARST: Well, nothing was ever that simple, Larry. They were revolutionaries. This was not a robbery. It was an ex-appropriation, it was a combat operation.
KING: And what was going through your head sitting in the car?
HEARST: You know, sitting in the car when they got back in and -- first of all, it was relief. I was not -- there were two get away cars or switch cars they were called. And, you know, the group tended to include everyone. I do remember that I was very relieved that I did not have to go into a bank with them. I had, as you recall, I had already been brought into a bank before and it was better to be sitting outside.
KING: What did you think of the fact -- when did you learn that someone had been killed?
HEARST: Oh, almost immediately upon their entering the car.
KING: One of them said it?
HEARST: Yes. And, you know, I just --
KING: How did you react to that? Well, you were so brain washed and everything, we know the kind of life you were living. But you...
HEARST: It's unspeakable.
KING: ... heard you just participated in what amounted to a capital crime.
HEARST: It's unspeakable. Well, Larry, for them capital crimes, everything they did was considered a capital crime because they had declared war against the United States. So, you know, if -- for them -- if they had, you know, stolen a wallet that would have been a capital crime in their minds. It's a mindset that's kind of difficult to understand. But it's so unspeakable and --
KING: What went through your mind?
HEARST: Through my mind, is just the horror of these people. William and Emily Harris were just --- I had been held by them, I knew how violent they were. I don't want to say I was surprised. I mean, there's a difference between being horrified by what they do and being surprised by what someone will do. And their blood thirstiness and none of that surprises me. I was horrified, I'm still horrified.
KING: As we go to break, Patricia Hearst is our guest for the hour. We will be including your phone calls. Here's part of the testimony regarding the sentencing given by Sara Jane Olson's sister (sic). Watch -- by daughter.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
LEILA OLSON, SARA JANE OLSON'S DAUGHTER: She's one of the best mothers anyone would ever want. I'm sure if you met her, you would agree. My mother is such (UNINTELLIGIBLE). Be all you can be no matter what happens. I love you.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
KING: We're back with one of the most famous victims of domestic terrorism, Patty Hearst. She's at our bureau in New York. That scene we just played going out of Sarah Jane Olson's daughter, how does that make you feel?
HEARST: Well, you know, on the one hand it's heartbreaking, of course, to see these children. It's terrible. But, you know, the crime that she has been convicted of and the other crimes were equally terrible. You know, I watch her daughter there and I -- my heart breaks. I have daughters very close in age. My daughters have grown up knowing all about my kidnapping and the case and what happened. You know, my daughters have been through their entire lives and knowing about my case. And, you know, I see this girl who just knew nothing until two years ago. And in a way, part of me feels like, God, what a lucky kid. And the other part of me feels, you know, disgust, quite frankly.
KING: And there's also, of course, the son of the victim.
HEARST: The son of the victim. The son of the victim, you know, has been virtually forgotten until recently. It's -- when Mrs. Opsahl was murdered, the response was, well, she was just a pig, you know, she didn't matter anyway. And from that moment on, it's really seems like that was true. Even to me, as I was trying to tell the government what had happened, it just didn't seem to matter. And I finally walked away thinking, well, what is this? I mean, does she really not matter? Is it because she doesn't have a famous newsworthy name? Is that what this is all about? There's no excuse for why this has taken so long that I can fathom. If there is, maybe we'll hear it.
KING: Patty, did these arrests last week and charges renew your faith in a government you questioned?
HEARST: Well, you know, it's really been, you know, quite a trip for me. And then, you know, it started, or began to end, I guess, when Kathleen Soliah was arrested. And, at the time, I really didn't think anything would come of it. I thought some police had been overzealous and they had made a most unfortunate arrest and that Los Angeles would just not care.
And as it's gone on, you know, I started to realize that maybe they did care. And you know, now I can see they clearly did care, that they were very serious about this and they're very serious about seeing justice served. And, you know, like I said, I'm not looking forward to a trial. It's nothing to look forward to. This is a very, very unhappy situation all the way around. And, you know, it's the result of a hideous crime. But this has to happen. You just can't let people go because they stayed hidden for 25 or 27 or 37, whatever years. It's ridiculous.
KING: Are you prepared for the onslaught of defense lawyers who are already saying that you're their only witness, that you're not credible and the like? Are you prepared to go through that again?
HEARST: Well, you know, one lawyer says I'm the only witness and I'm not credible. Another lawyer says this witness -- there's tons of evidence that's been available for years. Why didn't they bring the case years ago? I must point out their clients and that they were not, you know, campaigning to have this case brought years ago. I'm not worried about the lawyers. I -- in Los Angeles, when the Harrises were charged with the Mel Sporting Goods incident, I was going to be brought in as a witness then. And they settled their case without having any witnesses for the defense, and that did away with my testimony there.
And then for my kidnapping, I was supposed to be a witness there. They plead guilty, so I never made a witness stand. And here in Los Angeles, once again, I'm going to go down and be a witness. There's a guilty plea. I don't mind being on the witness stand, but I think they mind it a lot.
KING: Will it be hard for you to look at them?
HEARST: No. I actually did face the Harrises in court before. And I have to say it was a really liberating experience. And for any victim of a violent crime, when you actually get to go in and realize and see their faces and know that they can't hurt you any more, there is no feeling like that. It finally frees you from a lot of demons.
KING: First of all, your thought that day going to the bank, just your own thoughts. Can you describe, what you, as a human being, are going through in this incredible situation? Here you are with these people. They're going to do something dastardly. You're a prisoner of their mind, in a sense. Your mind is a prisoner of theirs. What are you going through?
HEARST: Larry, most of the time I was with them, my mind was going through doing exactly what I was supposed to do.
KING: What you were told?
HEARST: Yes. I mean -- even if I weren't told, I had been educated very well in what to do. I had been, you know, held in the closet for two months and, you know, abused in all manner of ways. I was very good at doing what I was told. And as far as thinking...
KING: Was that Stockholm Syndrome part of the thinking or not?
HEARST: I'm sure it was. Of course it was. I mean, they call it Stockholm Syndrome and post traumatic stress disorder. And, you know, I had no free will. I had virtually no free will until I was separated from them for about two weeks. And then it suddenly, you know, slowly began to dawn that they just weren't there any more. I could actually think my own thoughts. It was considered wrong for me to think about my family. And when Cinque was around, he didn't want me thinking about rescue because he thought that brain waves could be read or that, you know, they'd get a psychic in to find me. And I was even afraid of that.
KING: Let's discuss each of these. What was Bill Harris like?
HEARST: Oh, jeez, he was the leader, or at least mostly considered himself to be the leader. There were a lot of leadership problems toward the end. But he was considered to be the leader after Donald DeFreeze was killed.
KING: And how did you regard him? Was he your leader? Did you look upon him with awe, respect, fear, what?
HEARST: You know, he was the leader. You did what he was told. I mean, Emily Harris was his wife. And she seemed to resent his leadership, but on the other hand, she felt like a good soldier, that he had to be the leader. They, you know, had fights and, you know, some of them coming to blows. It was a very strange group of people bound by, you know, the SLA codes of war. And they followed them very religiously.
KING: We'll be right back with Patricia Hearst on this edition of LARRY KING LIVE. We certainly thank her for agreeing to this appearance tonight. We'll be taking some phone calls and we'll continue the questioning right after this.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
TAPE RECORDED VOICE OF PATTY HEARST, 1974: I'm obviously alive and well. As for being brainwashed, the idea is ridiculous to the point of being beyond belief.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
(COMMERCIAL BREAK) KING: Our guest is Patty Hearst. You, of course, know that her opinions of these people are gathered from her own adventure, so to speak, with them. And they're from her own experiences with them and what she testifies to, it will of course be the truth as she knows it.
You were not inside the bank, right?
HEARST: I was not inside the bank. But I am still not the only witness. There are two other SLA members who have been granted immunity and then also, one of the SLA members had confessed to two other people, and those people, I'm sure, will be called as witnesses, as they were at the grand jury.
KING: Also there seems to be am awful lot of other kinds of evidence: Palm prints and letters with rental cars, right? I mean, you are not the only witness.
HEARST: Off the bat I can think of five witnesses who will walk in, and then I'm sure there are more. This was not the most closed- mouthed group. And then there's all the physical evidence. And if you go on the Myrna Opsahl dot-com site that her son has set up, he does a pretty good brief rundown of what's there. It's really shocking.
I had not seen that until -- and when it first came out I was told. I had not seen or been aware of all of that physical evidence. And when I saw it, I was horrified. It was so astounding to me to see that there was that much evidence. And you know, on the one hand I was, of course, really glad that there was that much evidence. On the other hand my first thought was, how long has this been there? How has it taken so long?
KING: Off the top, what are your impressions of Emily?
HEARST: This is another person, very forceful, very much wanting to be in command and in control. Very dedicated. You know, they -- the entire -- particularly the original SLA members that kidnapped me and Bill and Emily Harris were two of those, were extremely dedicated revolutionaries.
KING: Absolutely believed in what they were doing?
HEARST: Absolutely believed it. And you probably remember all of those papers and documents that they had published in the newspapers. And, you know, when you look at that, it really was their own little jihad that they had going. It just wasn't taken very seriously then.
KING: Do you think September 11 has affected our thinking with regard to this?
HEARST: I think it's definitely affected every American's thinking in regard to terrorism, you know, not just this case, but terrorism all over the world. For me, my awakening came when I was kidnapped. And so, you know, I have been afraid in U.S. airports for years, quite frankly, because I have felt that there was no security. But now Americans, they felt a sense of peace and protection because they've been separated by so many thousands of miles of ocean. And you know, the fact that it's come to the U.S. like this is so sad, and yet you know, what can you do? It's here. It has to be gotten rid of. I frankly don't think it's going to be a successful war on terrorism until law enforcement agencies like the FBI are willing to share with other law enforcement agencies. If they can't share information, there's no way this war can be won.
KING: What's the memories of Michael Bortin? Who is in Portland, they are trying to extradite him now, I guess they will.
HEARST: Yes. He was a tough talking -- he had been in prison before. He was a member of another revolutionary group, the same one that Wendy Yoshimura had been a member of, with her boyfriend. And he had gone to prison for those crimes. He -- was a tough guy.
KING: To the young in our viewing audience, what was the aim of the SLA? What did they want?
HEARST: They wanted to overthrow the government of the United States and...
KING: With eight people?
HEARST: Well, yes. They called themselves an army. They were planning on recruiting more armies. They were planning on splitting up and forming smaller cells and going into different areas, recruiting more members and just growing until they had started a full scale war in this country.
KING: Do you think there's anything like them around now?
HEARST: Well, I'm assuming -- we know that there is.
KING: Do you think there are domestic groups around that think like this, that -- obviously we know about the wackos out in the west and other parts, and the crazies -- do you think there are other groups like the SLA close at hand?
HEARST: I'm not seeing that much difference between the SLA and the people who did the Oklahoma City bombing, and that mind set, or even the Manson family. I think Charles Manson was a hair's breath away from just being a terrorist. He wanted to start a war, too. If you remember, that was the whole purpose of writing all that stuff on the walls, was to blame black people because he wanted to start a race war and a revolution and he would be the leader of everything when it was over.
KING: And what makes this appealing?
HEARST: Well, you have a charismatic leader and you have people with a similar type of mindset who aren't maybe finding like-thinking people where they are and they travel across the country as did the Harrises, looking for someone to lead them. I mean, I think a lot of it is as much leadership as they were able to show after Donald DeFreeze had died. They were basically followers from the beginning.
KING: We'll take a break and come back with more of Patricia Hearst.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
TAPE RECORDED VOICE OF PATTY HEARST, 1974: I've been given the choice of one, being released in a safe area, or two, joining forces with the Symbionese Liberation Army and fighting for my freedom and the freedom of all oppressed people. I have chosen to stay and fight.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
KING: We are back with Patricia Hearst. One other defendant to ask about, and he is at large, and that is James William Kilgore. What are your memories of him?
HEARST: You know, they really all wanted to be leaders, but looking at those photos is pretty amazing. This is part of the reason that I thought the government really had no seriousness about ever catching these people.
KING: Because?
HEARST: This is a man who always wore glasses. Every photograph he ever had taken of himself was taken without glasses so that if you were to go underground there would be no photograph of himself with glasses on. And I have repeatedly told authorities this. It's been totally ignored. I'm confused by it. But, you know, this is not my problem any more.
KING: Were any of these people, to you, likable?
HEARST: You know, yes, sure. It gets to degrees of who's likable when you're with people who are causing mayhem and placing bombs and doing robberies. There are always some people that are more likable than others. It's hard to say. You know how when people have been held hostage, one of the first questions they get asked is, how were you treated? And the answer is almost always I was treated, you know, pretty well. And by that, they usually mean they weren't killed. So, yes, you know, some people were likable than others. You know, Wendy Yoshimura and Steve Soliah were certainly nicer people on balance than I would say Emily Harris was. But, you know, considering the circumstances and what they were all up to, it's just not a way that I would characterize any of them is who's the nicest.
KING: The FBI has provided a drawing of how James William Kilgore might look now. What do you think of that?
HEARST: Put some glasses on him. When have you seen a man that age who doesn't wear glasses on top of everything else that I have said? I'm mystified by this one. And, you know, like I said, this is really why -- this is one of the reasons why the kind of lack of searching for all of these fugitives and also the lack of prosecution that took place. I just never felt before this and these charges that there was any, you know, seriousness about bringing the murderers of Mrs. Opsahl to justice.
KING: Before we talk in more issues that comes to mind that -- those of you may know Patty Hearst and not realize a little of the timeline, so just let me run through a little of the highlights. This all started February 4, 1974. My God.
HEARST: I know.
KING: That's two years away from 30 years.
HEARST: It's, you know, 500 in dog years, I think.
KING: The SLA kidnapped Patty Hearst on February 4 of '74. On April 15, after weeks of being locked in a closet, she joins the SLA using the revolutionary name Tania, is photographed holding a rifle during the robbery of the Hibernia Bank at San Francisco. In May of that year, six heavily-armed members of the SLA die in a shootout, in a fire that consumes their L.A. hideout. April '75, Myrna Opsahl is killed during the robbery of the Crocker Bank. In September of '75, Hearst is captured by the FBI in San Francisco. In March of '76, she's convicted of robbing the bank. In January of '79, President Carter commutes Patty's seven-year sentence. She's released from prison after serving about 21 months. And in January of 2001, she is given a presidential pardon by President Clinton.
Let's take a call. Vancouver, British Columbia for Patty Hearst, hello.
CALLER: Hi, Patty. I'd like to know if you're afraid or scared to testify due to the fact that Kilgore is actually still at large?
HEARST: Well, you know, for me, this is really a point where I feel that it's time. It's past time. I'm not afraid of them. I was afraid of them when they had guns that they could shoot me with. When I was in a closet and they were threatening to kill me, I was terrified of them at one time. They just don't have any power over me any more. They haven't had for years.
KING: Not even Kilgore, who is on the loose now, knowing he's charged with this?
HEARST: Well, you know, he's been on the loose for years. I don't know what -- I don't know. He could be dead. He could be out of the country. I'm just not really -- maybe I'm foolish. Maybe I should be.
KING: Have you met with anyone concerned with the prosecution yet?
HEARST: No, not yet.
KING: But they will sit down -- how long do you expect this will take out of your life, this testimony and cross-examination?
HEARST: Well, when it comes to court, I really don't know. I can't even guess. There's going to be a lot of motions beforehand. There's going to be probably firings of lawyers. I mean, last year -- by January of last year, with the Kathy Soliah case -- I was calling it Kathy's comedy courthouse because she had switched lawyers and gotten so many delays and it had gotten all so ludicrous.
Now, for this, I'm sure, you know, multiply the defendants and multiply the goings on and that won't be anything to do with me, though. That will all sit there. When it finally comes to court and when I'm called as a witness, it will take however many days or weeks it takes. I'm sure it will take as long as possible.
KING: You're prepared. In Kathy's case, also known as Sara Olson, isn't it possible, as a question, for someone to change, for someone to rehabilitate or habilitate themselves, get on with their lives, lead a good life, be a good parent, and just by the nature -- it doesn't forgive the act they did -- but they may not be the same person they were 24 years ago.
HEARST: Absolutely. Absolutely. I mean, I believe that prisoners can be rehabilitated. I believe people can change. And you know, I believe there's -- I was going to say I believe there's good in everyone. I don't really believe that. But most people...
KING: Well, obviously there's some good in her now, right? She led a pretty good life for 20 years.
HEARST: Well, she led a life that was a complete falsehood. And, you know, for her to go in at her sentencing and still say that she, you know, wasn't there and all she did was maybe get some fake IDs for them. And, you know, -- no. You know, she's got some other honesty issues to deal with.
KING: You would have felt better if she was were more honest, better about her?
HEARST: Absolutely. I mean, I really -- of course I would have felt better about her if she were completely honest about her involvement. I think that that's what has to happen. And I feel really badly, too, for her family and not just her. You know, William Harris has a family. And Michael Bortin has a family. And they all have young children. You know, this is a very difficult thing for those children to have to deal with. But I just -- I keep going back. The main person and the main family that's had the hardest thing to deal with has been the Opsahl family.
KING: No winners here, but they're the big loser.
HEARST: You know, there are no winners in this. This is a very, very sad situation brought about by a violent, senseless, evil act. And there are just no winners in this, none.
KING: Right back with more of Patricia Hearst on this edition of LARRY KING LIVE. Don't go away.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
VOICE OF PATTY HEARST, FIRST SLA TAPE RECORDING, 1974: Mom, dad, I'm OK. I'm not being starved or beaten or unnecessarily frightened. I'm not being forced to say any of this. I'm stopping and starting this tape myself so that I can collect my thoughts. That's why there are so many stops in it.
MRS CATHERINE HEARST: We love you, Patty, and we're all praying for you. I'm sorry I'm crying, but I'm happy you're safe.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
KING: One would imagine, Patty, that you have been ultra careful since February 4, 1974. Have you?
HEARST: Yes.
(LAUGHTER)
KING: I mean, for example, the mind boggles. How were you taken? How did they kidnap you?
HEARST: I was in my apartment and there was just a knock on the door. And severa; armed gunmen broke in and kidnapped me. It was -- I was just a college student. I wasn't really thinking that there could possibly be any problem like this, I was just attending classes at UC Berkeley and studying hard, and hoping to go ahead on there and get a degree.
KING: Being a Hearst, you didn't have security?
HEARST: No. We didn't, none, nothing. It just never, ever crossed my parents' mind that this would ever happen.
KING: Now, does that, therefore, cause you pause when there's a knock at the door?
HEARST: Well, yes. My life is not the same as my parents' life. And my life is not the same since I was 19 years-old. My life was changed from my last days as a teenager until the present. I have lived my entire adult life in many ways haunted by what happened. But, you know, I had to get on with my life from that point and still remembering that there are bad people out there and you have to be careful. So we do live differently than other people do in terms of security. Although, you know, frankly, a lot of things aren't very safe since 1974. I think when I was growing up you could leave the door unlocked in 1974, and no one would consider such a thing today.
KING: How have you -- you have how many children?
HEARST: I have two children.
KING: How old are they?
HEARST: They are 20 and 17.
KING: How have they dealt with all of this and your explaining it to them? All of this happened before they were born.
HEARST: Well, they've grown up with it. Like I said, all their lives, they've known about what happened. They've gone to school where teachers have had to call home and say, is it okay if we show them the newspaper we're doing a report on something? It's been awkward, but they've known everything, so in many ways that's been easier, because I can even imagine what it would be like to have lied to them and then have to tell them now, by the way, this happened.
It would just be way too difficult for them. And, you know, they're upset, they're worried for me. They have been told and they do understand, of course, that when someone does something wrong, that you have to go to trial. They wish things were different, they certainly wish that I didn't have to go testify, because they know it will be hard for me. But I just tell them, you have to. Aside from the fact that, you know, it's your civic duty to do something like that, it's more than that. You have to be honest, that was -- that has been the way I have lived. That was why I published the book, I have never wavered from it. I don't have any skeletons in my closet, I'm not afraid to go in front of a jury.
KING: What was it like in your heart knowing you and your heart knew you didn't do anything wrong, to be in prison?
HEARST: Well, that was very difficult but on the other hand, some things were easier. When -- at the prison when they wanted me to sign for good time, you know, especially work time to accept it. I refused to accept it, I said that was the same thing as saying I was guilty to accept time off for any of this. Then I told them flatly I would serve every day of my sentence. That I was happy to do it, in fact, if the alternative would be to say I was guilty, and my children know this. They've grown up with hearing about President Carter and about the commutation of the sentence. And they were thrilled when President Clinton pardoned me.
KING: Comes to mind, Patty, most of us, most viewers watching don't know any evil people. Maybe there's some people they don't like, the boss, somebody's (UNINTELLIGIBLE). But evil, most people don't know evil people. You have spent a lot of time with evil people.
HEARST: Yes.
KING: What was that like?
HEARST: It's something that affects you so deeply that in a way you can never really trust people again. You know that you have to and you know that not everybody is like this, but it changes your perception of people for the rest of your life. And in a way it's sad to lose that kind of innocence, but on another way, you get a strength from it. And you can help other people.
KING: But the other side says, evil people don't think they're evil.
HEARST: No, they don't. Absolutely.
KING: They don't look in the mirror and say, I am an evil person.
HEARST: No. They think they're fabulous. No, they don't think they're evil. They know that they're right, everyone else is wrong. I think they don't even care about whether everybody else is wrong. They care only about themselves.
KING: We'll be right back with more of Patty Hearst on this edition of LARRY KING LIVE.
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KING: We're back with our remaining moments with Patty Hearst. We talked about John Opsahl, the victim's son. He was 15 at the time his mother was killed. Have you ever spoken with him?
HEARST: No, I haven't. I -- I haven't spoken to him.
KING: Really? I would gather that he would be interested in talking to you.
HEARST: You know, I actually had my attorney contact him, and I felt that it was kind of time to do that. And so we've made a gesture, but I think it's -- would he want to speak to me, regardless of the reason I participated in the hold up? I think it's just way too hard for him. And I totally understand and I'm -- I'm sure one day we will, but --
KING: You'll probably meet at the trial.
HEARST: They have a lot to work through. This has been something that has sat there and I'm sure, you know, festered. And haunted their family for all of these years. And now they're having to readjust and, you know, finally feel some hope and realize that justice is being done. There will be a trial.
KING: Woodbridge, Virginia, hello.
CALLER: Hey, Miss. Hearst, I would like to know, haven't you ever felt guilty being a part of the SLA and never trying to escape when you were released from the closet? How do you handle the fact that so many people think you are just as guilty?
HEARST: You know, when I first was arrested and first going through the therapy with the psychiatrist because I did feel really horrible. And I -- it was the kind of guilt that was -- a lot of it stemmed from feeling so horrible that my mind could be controlled by anybody, that I was so fragile that this could happen to me.
And because really we all think we're pretty strong and that nobody can make us do something if we don't want to do it. That's true until somebody locks you up in a closet and tortures you and finally makes you so weak that you completely break and will do anything they say. And there was the feeling of guilt and self- loathing and despair and pain that was just overwhelming.
And in terms of people still thinking that I'm guilty, you know, the government spent an awful lot of time trying to convince people of that. So how can I blame them? I mean, I was the only one prosecuted for that bank robbery. They just ignored everything except me. I understand. On the other hand, once this case is tried, a lot of evidence will come out too -- a lot of it hasn't been able to come to the public until now.
KING: A brain-washed person doesn't know from time element when they're being brainwashed, do they? They don't wake up one day and say, I have been brainwashed?
HEARST: No. No, they don't. They -- I know for me, I thought that I was kind of fooling them for awhile, and the point when I knew that I was completely gone, I'm quite convinced, was at the Mel Sporting Goods Store when I reflectively did exactly what I had been trained to do that day instead of what any sensible person would have done or person still in control of their senses and their responses, which would be the minute the Harrises had left the van to have just run off and called the police.
At that point, you know, looking back, I can say that I was gone. I was so far gone I had no clue how bad it was.
KING: Fredericksburg, Virginia, hello.
CALLER: I read your book as a teenager in the '80s and the one question I have always had is, were any of the SLA members were charged with your kidnapping and if not, why not?
HEARST: They were two members that were left alive, Bill and Emily Harris were charged with my kidnapping. They were charged after I was convicted of their bank robbery. And that was the other case where I was going to go to trial to testify against them, but they plead guilty.
KING: Do you have some sympathy for John Walker?
HEARST: I had to think for a second. The...
KING: The American Taliban.
HEARST: OK, well, frankly, I mean, I think you have another case of someone who went looking for trouble, who politicized themselves, wasn't finding enough trouble where they were and went looking for it. I have heard people say it reminds me of the Patty Hearst case and I think it reminds me of my kidnappers. That's what it reminds me of.
That's another case where I feel so badly for his parents. There's no way that they could have done anything, or known anything. On the other hand, you know, I think of how I raised my kids. I don't let a 16-year-old or even a 17-year-old have the keys to the car after midnight -- you know, can I go to Yemen to learn to speak Arabic would be a big no.
But you know, that's -- they just thought that they were doing a good thing and they had a curious son who wanted to do something that would be very admirable, which would be to learn an extraordinarily difficult second language.
KING: The train -- we have no idea when this trial will take place. We still have a suspect at large right? So this probably a year off, do you think?
HEARST: Two, three, Larry. Your guess is as good as mine. I couldn't even begin to guess.
KING: But you are prepared for it all, prepared to go out and meet with the prosecutor, spend all the time it takes, do what you have to do? HEARST: Well, of course, yes. That's what you do. I'm totally prepared to do it. I think the reason I feel prepared and, like -- I feel prepared because something's going to come of it this time. I really honestly didn't believe that the prosecution of Kathy Soliah was going to be taken seriously, and I was completely wrong.
And, you know, there's a hopefulness that I feel now to see this, you know, coming to a conclusion and a feeling that there really is closure to my kidnapping and to everything that happened to me.
KING: Will this case close it? Is this it?
HEARST: I would think so.
KING: No future things on the docket, right? Assuming Mr. Kilgore is apprehended and the verdicts come down, this will end it?
HEARST: You're asking me? I'm not a prosecutor. I really don't know. I don't know.
KING: I assume this will bring closure to you, at least.
HEARST: It brings closure to me. This is not a happy situation, but you know, it is -- there is a feeling of relief. This is -- something is finally happening where these people are going to, at least stand trial for their acts.
KING: We have a minute left. What are you doing in your life? Are you still doing some acting?
HEARST: Absolutely. I did the "Vagina Monologues" a couple months ago in New Haven and, you know...
KING: You hosted that wonderful special about the Hearst Castle.
HEARST: I did. I did that. And you know, things are nice. I mean, it's hard to even say that because it is in turmoil right now. But, you know, at this point, it just isn't my problem. This whole legal situation is something that other people are facing. I'm a witness. I will go and testify. But you know, this is for them to have to deal with after all these years.
KING: Thank you, Patty. Thanks for sharing this hour with us. Always good seeing you.
HEARST: Thank you.
My guess is the answer is yes.