Hello fucks and fruits in the UK,

Just wanted to say hi to everyone. I just
heard a senior Irish minister proclaimed Britain as "the leper of Europe",
and that your fucked up country just slaughtered
over 100,000 sheep, that the rest of Europe hates your ass and pretty much the rest of the planet earth wants to quarantine your filthy little diseased country.


BWAAAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!

You do realize of course that your country's
ineptitude in resolving this crisis will have
a profound effect in tourism, don't you? Just
want to let you know, that's all.

Cheerio,
Uncle Sammy

By evil_eye on Thursday, March 15, 2001 - 09:09 am:

Good!...less obese yankee doodle pricks like you around central london...HOORAH!

By chut on Friday, March 16, 2001 - 12:00 am:

Thanks for the BSE in your dodgy cattle feed, Uncle Sam.

By TobyZ on Friday, March 16, 2001 - 01:11 pm:

Doesn't America feed the same stuff to their cows? Or is there some vast conspiracy to twart the English Tourist Industry?

By Toby on Saturday, March 17, 2001 - 10:21 am:

I couldn't give a fuck.

By watsy on Saturday, March 17, 2001 - 10:23 am:

who actually did? maybe the one who started th topic I guess.

By Farmer Jack on Monday, March 19, 2001 - 10:57 pm:

Lets burn all the fucking townies instead!
bastards, they're just glad the countryside march as been called off

oo arr

By Pher on Wednesday, July 31, 2002 - 11:23 am:

Okay, I know that this is pretty much dead and buried as far as topics here go, but speaking from an agricultural point of view, the foot and mouth wasn't the actual crisis. The catastrophe occured in the flippin' Labour government's 'handling' of the situation. In times of crisis a nation should be able to look to it's government to find a suitable and effective way of getting out of the situation without destroying the livelihoods of an entire sector of the community. But then again, we have a government who seem to go out of their way to destroy a way of life, my way of life, and to me and many other people from rural communities, it was far too obvious that the government saw this as an opportunity to destroy the already crippled farming industry in Britain. And as 'Farmer Jack' says, I'm sure they were only too pleased that the Countryside March was postponed.
As a penultimate point, if it was infact due to the farmers ineptitude, why were the first farmers infected made to sign the official secrets act?
To conclude, I hope that come September 22nd, the countryside will again march on London, and show those beaurocratic buffoons that we will not take this lying down, and that Rural Liberty and Livelihood is something worth fighting for.
Again, I hope to see many of you in London then, I know I'm marching; are you??

By Skrooie on Wednesday, July 31, 2002 - 02:15 pm:

I will, if theres an orange walk.

By Farmer Sarki on Wednesday, July 31, 2002 - 07:43 pm:

You're spot on there Hazel! I'm even contemplating going down with a couple of mates, a baseball bat and a gun, lol.
Nah, seriously, I'm really thinking of going to the march and feel I have a duty to since I don't go hunting or shooting but feel it a duty of mine to defend fox hunting since, as a person well educated on the issue living in the countryside, I have nothing against it.
Banning fox hunting is just the tip of the ice-berg in terms of what these do-gooders want to do. These people wont stop until we're all wrapped in cottom wool. Fishing and shooting will be next followed by sports such as horse riding and tiddlewinks because they wrongly use mis-leading propeganda to percieve them as "cruel".
Bollox! Having an ecological community over-run by sick, skinny, diseased foxes is cruel. Our countryside needs to be managed the state it is in now and fox hunting is an important and traditional part of this management.
Not all people against fox hunting are like this, most are mis-informed or poorly educated on the issue which is understandable due to urban segregation from the countryside.
The foot and mouth crisis was nothing short of a disaster and it was no fault at all of the farmers.
The mess this government made of this crisis was un-forgivable but I also blame them and their stupid policies for the start of the disease. Animals are being transported for miles to be slaughtered due to the destruction of local abatuars caused by stupid EU rulings, so a disease which could have so easily been nipped in the bud, spreaded like wild-fire and effectively destroyed a whole community.
Not that the Labour government gave a shit, they still won the election and lets face it, who in the right mind of the rural minority who were harmed by the crisis would have voted for labour anyway?
Like many, I voted Conservative just to vote against Labour, not that I have any time for the Tories, they can be just as bad. Most, and especially successful politicians are useless, toe-licking, backstabbing, stupid idiots only interested in their own careers anyway. Tony Blair is one of the worst

So, let the minority speak out! Democracy will win.
Hope to see you down there Hazel. Me being there probably all hangs on whether I'll be on the piss or not on Saturday Sept. 21st, ho ho ho.

By Dave Hedgehog on Wednesday, July 31, 2002 - 07:51 pm:

My dog died of foot and mouth.

By Cider Boy on Friday, August 2, 2002 - 02:11 am:

Fox hunting is cruel and the people who do it are sick fucks. I grew up in the "countryside" and if I see wankers on hunts whilst driving I scare the shit out of their horses and hounds. Just shoot the fuckin' things with a gun - it's that simple. As for farmers they brought it on themselves. There's no real need for them anyway, everything we need we can import cheaper from abroad and more often it's better quality than the stuff produced here. The one (and only) good aspect of the Thatcher era was at least she let uncompetitive industries go to the wall, none of this subsidy bollox that farmers EU wide receive. I'm sorry but you're just gonna have to get another (better)way of life.

By Pher on Saturday, August 3, 2002 - 12:40 am:

Wrong, fool. Fox hunting is in fact the most humane and effective way of controlling the fox population. It is the most environmentally friendly, as it does not use toxic chemicals, as gasing foxes would. It is the only method to have a 100% kill rate; unlike other methods, it never leaves an injured animal to die a slow and painful death, as in the unlikely event that the fox is not killed outright by the hound, the terrierman carries a pistol, and despatches the fox with minimal suffering.
You may try to counter this by argueing that there is no need for any form of control, and again, you would be wrong. Without control, the fox population would become too large for the habitat to sustain, and while natural thinning out amongst the population would take place, the fox has no predators in the wild, and so would become disease riddled, as there would be no way of removing the weak from the pack. This is where hunting becomes an integral part of the ecosystem. Hounds are not the most intelligent of creatures, and are cumbersome; foxes on the other hand and quick on their feet, and sly. There is no way that a pack of hounds would even come close to the kill of a healthy fox, and so to a certain extent, natural selectino kicks in, and only the old and weak specimens are culled. This cannot occur in gasing, shooting or snaring, as the chances of being killed by those methods are equal for all foxes.
With reference to your comments about farmers having brought FMD upon themselves, you are yet again completely wrong. This country had a disease free status for years before the first outbreaks in February of last year. As an island, that leaves only one way for the disease to have been started; foreign imports. This country has had for many many years, much higher food standards regulations than other EU and world countries, which apply only to the food produced in this country, and not imports. Over the past few years there have been several outbreaks of foot and mouth in countries such as Greece and the former Yugoslavia. It is common practice for cheap imports from those countries to be brought into the UK without any concern about the consequences for our farming industry.
As a side, what the hell gives you the right to say that the way of life I was born into should suddenly dissappear because a few beurocratic fools in suits say so? As it happens, I really dont like football hooligans, but I dont see bills being passed through government to make football illegal, dispite the fact that it has caused many more deaths and injuries than hunting ever will. Its a definate case of one rule for them, and another for us. And just to disspell another myth, that fox hunting kills off thousands of foxes each year, in 1997, the year that Mike Foster MP proposed the initial Wild Mammals Hunting with Dogs Bill, the RSPCA put down approx. 54000 healthy cats and dogs; thats more than the number of foxes killed byu all hunts in the country in the average lifespan of a huntsman.
Incase the message missed you before, despite all the subtlty of a steam engine, cheap imports are the cause of the foot and mouth crisis, and are not better quality that home grown produce. British meat, milk and vegetables are qute rightly advertised as being 'best', which they are due to the stringent standards kept in place.
Saying that your way of life is better than mine is purely a matter of opinion, but in future, unless you can convey you opinion in a nice way, and not throw punches below the belt (I dont like being refered to as 'a sick fuck'), please keep your opinions to yourself.
As a closing point, I never said anything about fox hunting in particular, and neither did Farmer Sarki. This is about liberty,and freedom of choice. After all, this is supposed to be a free country...

By Pher on Saturday, August 3, 2002 - 12:42 am:

Just a little amendment...I was incorrect in stating that 'Farmer Sarki' had not mentioned hunting in his post. My sincere apologies...

By Fox on Saturday, August 3, 2002 - 12:58 am:

Can I say something?

By Farmer Sarki on Saturday, August 3, 2002 - 06:45 pm:

Aww, poor little foxy woxy! I'll take you home and wrap you up in cotton wool and protect you from those big nasty men in red coats and nasty growly doggies.
Poor ickle thing

PS - I'm being SARKY, you hit the nail on the head there Pher, looks like we won this one easy!

PPS - foxes can't speak dimwit! neither can rabbits, deer, live-stock etc. who would suffer immensely if foxes were allowed to spread in unlimited numbers. You are clearly suffering from sarki envy

By Thomas Williams IV on Saturday, August 3, 2002 - 06:53 pm:

Yeah!

By Sarki on Saturday, August 3, 2002 - 06:55 pm:

Fuck off TW! We don't need your confirmation. You should be a Labour MP, fecking nodding dog.

By TW Fan on Saturday, August 3, 2002 - 06:56 pm:

Fuck off you Sarki!

By Sarki I on Saturday, August 3, 2002 - 06:58 pm:

No, listen.
You.....fuck......off!

By TW IV on Saturday, August 3, 2002 - 07:00 pm:

I love you sarki, yeah i do, yeah yeah yeah!

By Dave Hedgehog on Saturday, August 3, 2002 - 10:17 pm:

Just nipping for a leak

By Sarkonymous on Sunday, August 4, 2002 - 03:30 pm:

Everybody loves Sarki!

By Pher on Sunday, August 4, 2002 - 05:44 pm:

I think that several of you have missed the point completely. This is about liberty. If you like to spend your friday evenings in the local with your mates, then you can. If you wish to spend your fridays mornings following the hounds, then you should also be able to make the decision for yourself, rather than have somebody in London, who had probably never seen hounds until the vigillers in Parliament Square took some with them, make that decision for them.
The march, entitled the 'Liberty and Livelihood March' is not exclusively for the pro-hunting lobby. It for for anybody who wishes to be able to make their own decisions, rather than have them made for them. It just happens to be organised by the Countryside Alliance, who incidentally, are not just about fox hunting, but all types of field sport and rural activity.

By Scamp on Sunday, August 4, 2002 - 07:07 pm:

Sounds like bad news, if you're at liberty but also happen to be a fox!

By Fox on Sunday, August 4, 2002 - 07:16 pm:

Thank you Sarki woxy.

By Skrooie on Sunday, August 4, 2002 - 07:22 pm:

I can't bring myself to think positively about some upper class twats releasing the hounds, sorry.

Arsed.

By Upper Class Fox on Sunday, August 4, 2002 - 07:35 pm:

Sarky woxy will save us.

By ikras on Sunday, August 4, 2002 - 08:47 pm:

Die fox die! Release the hounts! Rip its fookin head off!

By Tony Blair on Sunday, August 4, 2002 - 10:30 pm:

NO FOX, DONT DIE!

By caramel on Monday, August 5, 2002 - 11:44 am:

I can think positlvely about Upper class Fashion. Hahaha

By Samantha Fox on Monday, August 5, 2002 - 11:51 am:

Come and get me, you dirty dogz.

By fisherman on Monday, August 5, 2002 - 04:24 pm:

we wuv u sarki

By Pher on Monday, August 5, 2002 - 06:05 pm:

Firstly, hunting is not the preserve of the upper classes. It is an opportunity for people from all walks to life to meet up and indulge in a mutual interest.
Secondly, this isnt just hunting. Anybody who takes part or has an interest in hunting, fishing, shooting, hare coursing, angling, falconry or any other field sport is under threat from the so-called animal welfare groups. The League Against Cruel Sports has already said that it intends to get shooting banned.
Surely any body who cares about human welfare should be leaping up and down in disgust at this! What ever happened to freedom of choice? I dont know about you, but I sure as hell like to be able to decide for myself what I do with my free time, rather than have it dictated to me by somebody in London who has no idea about me or my interests.
That is what the March is about. Telling Mr Blair and his cronies that we'd like to make up our own minds about our livelihoods, and not to have it decreed to us from on high. Thats why as many people as possible, not matter what their views on field sports, should be marching on the 22nd september in London.

By Skrooie on Monday, August 5, 2002 - 07:30 pm:

Oh boo hoo, Farquar won't be able to shoot his gun anymore, mummy. That *is* frightful.

By Sarki on Monday, August 5, 2002 - 07:46 pm:

A rabbit!!! Get the gun!! Shoot the bastard! Blow it's fuckin brains out!
BANG!

By Rabbit on Monday, August 5, 2002 - 07:47 pm:

*SOB SOB* BANG!

....

By Ikras on Monday, August 5, 2002 - 07:49 pm:

Where's me baseball bat?
I'm gonna cave it's skull in!

By Tibbar on Monday, August 5, 2002 - 07:50 pm:

Nooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!

By chut on Monday, August 5, 2002 - 09:48 pm:

Well, when I was on the dole, the government wouldn't give me any cash. Where was my say in that little decision?

By Pher on Tuesday, August 6, 2002 - 07:33 pm:

We all know that the government are far more concerned with their own back pockets, than the well-being of the country, but just because it ignores people, doesnt mean we should all stop sticking up for our rights.
Everybody else in the country has the right to chose how they make their living, and the government has no right to turn round and say that from now on, everybody except hunt staff can chose how they earn money.
And Skrooie, your 'class-wars' attitude is beginning get on my nerves, because it is a completely unfounded view. Field sports are not an exclusive club for the well-off. Anybody can take part, and anybody is more than welcome to take part. If people actually made the effort to try these things, instead of being so quick to judge them, they may actually enjoy them.

By Skrooie on Tuesday, August 6, 2002 - 07:47 pm:

If you are so much for people having the freedom to choose, let them choose whether or not to march, instead of trying to influence their opinion.

And it's nonsense to suggest that hunt staff or whatever those people are called can't make a living elsewhere. That's an insult to their intelligence. If I can get a job stacking shelves, so can they.

By TwaTt*Y bOll@x!<'- on Tuesday, August 6, 2002 - 08:36 pm:

So why don't they just ban shelf stocking instead?

By Christian Fish on Tuesday, August 6, 2002 - 08:40 pm:

Yeah!

By Skrooie on Tuesday, August 6, 2002 - 08:44 pm:

Hell yeah ! Then I can go and shoot animals ! Or something !

By Yeah ! on Tuesday, August 6, 2002 - 08:53 pm:

stacking shelves should be banned cos its an insult to peoples intelligence !

By Skrooie on Wednesday, August 7, 2002 - 12:12 am:

Thats true !

By Scamp on Wednesday, August 7, 2002 - 06:26 am:

Not living in the UK, I'm ill-informed on this (I was once invited to go shooting Kangaroos, though.) But Pher, let's face it, hunting is the 'preserve of the upper classes'. Not that this is especially relevant or important. But I doubt the majority of people into blood sports have much time for hanging out with 'people from all walks of life'. And must you keep bolstering your argument with the 'freedom of choice' rhetoric? Anyone who cares about freedom of choice shouldn't have to go to some bloody march and show solidarity with people who kill furry animals for fun. Apologies if that sounds like I'm a *do-gooder* making a moral judgement. I ate chicken for tea last night, so yeah, I'm being a hypocrite.
Maybe the 'freedom of choice' thing bugs me because it reminds me of the 'freedom of speech' stuff bigots come out with everywhere. Apologies for confusing the two.

By rob on Wednesday, August 7, 2002 - 03:06 pm:

Hello.

I have been on a fox hunt. My grandfather used to have them on his farm. A fox was chased, caught and killed with a bullet to the head. It was very good fun. Not the killing bit, but the whole event.

The other day I ate a big sunday meal. We ate a turkey that had been intensively farmed, had 24 volts shot through it's brains until it's eyes boiled and it's throat slit. It was very good fun. Not the killing bit, but the whole meal.

On another note, I don't think there should be any more regulations about country sports. Hunting isn't just a 'preserve of the upper classes'. I lived in the country an most people were involved in hunting in one way or another. Not just fox hunting but other types of country sport too. For example, most teenage boys would partake in various activities including hunting rabbits with airguns, ferrets and dogs which was encouraged by the farmers as a past control. Also lots of young people would work on the moors grouse beating, which generally consists of walking along scaring birds into the air to be shot. All the hotels relied on these grouse shoots over the summer for income, as did many local businesses. Most of the farmers land was owned by upper class lords and such that only owned the land because it was good hunting territory and these farmers relied on the extra income from keeping the land clear for shooting to live.

On another note, my uncle owns a stable which hunting and racing horses are trained. What many people don't understand is that it is the good hunting horses that are selected to become race horses and old race horses become hunting horses. If hunting with horses is removed that racing business will suffer, if not cease to exist.

I personally don't like the thought of foxes being killed but I've been the man who kills the turkeys you eat on sunday and I can't imagine it is worse. If you want to stop cruelty to animals, maybe you should look into putting more restrictions on how food is killed.

If one country sport is stopped, like fox hunting, then what is next on the cards to be stopped? Shooting and hunting of any kind, most likely. And when people say "Well, people can get jobs elsewhere if they are intelligent." they don't understand that whole communities, like those that I have lived in, would need to be relocated or other industries brought to them. But that would be up to the jobless people to work out for themselves just because they happen to be born into that way of life... right?

I think tv should be banned.

Lukable

By machoman on Wednesday, August 7, 2002 - 08:26 pm:

By sporty on Wednesday, August 7, 2002 - 08:49 pm:

By Pher on Wednesday, August 7, 2002 - 09:43 pm:

There seems to me that there's little point in me making an effort to include actual facts in my arguement, if you then blindly ignore them and only read what you wish to see. I did not say that hunt staff would not be able to find employment elsewhere, only that they should be able to chose how they make their living, as everybody else in the country has this liberty. I will continue to use the 'freedom of choice rhetoric' because that is what the problem is here. We are not being given the choice about how we live our lives. It would also be nice if you could avoid making sweeping statements such as 'But I doubt the majority of people into blood sports have much time for hanging out with 'people from all walks of life'.' It just makes you look stupid and ignorant. I dont know about the ferreting/stalking/coursing/angling aspects, but from the point of view of fox hunting and shooting, people from every type of background imaginable DO join together to indulge in a common interest. Even if they dont actually shoot or ride, like myself (I ride, but not behind hounds) then they will follow the hounds on foot or by car, or help at the meet, or will be a beater on a shoot, or work spaniels to put up birds, labradors or retrievers (or Border Terriers on my neighbours shoot) to retrieve the shot birds or pointers to show where the birds are. There is a role for everybody, and more often than not, the guns on the shoot will beat or work dogs one week, and shoot the next. There isnt the great class divide that the typical media portrayal shows.
If people were to get off their ass' and try these things, not only would they be able to make a legitamate and informed arguement, but the may actually enjoy them.

By Cider Boy on Wednesday, August 7, 2002 - 10:00 pm:

Pher you twat (ooohhh a bit below the belt that one, eh, wasn't it), do you really believe you live in a "free society"? I think not. I personally couldn't give a fuck if you (and your webtoed friends) go on hunts, I just despise the people who do and that probably includes you. If killing things gives you a kick then go for it, however, we (and that includes you) live in a "democracy" and if hunting gets banned then you're just gonna have to suck it up and stop whining about your sorry way of life. Get out, see the world, ya bumpkin. By the way, your simple line of reasoning is pitiful, football is just an avenue for violent anti-social behaviour. You would not solve the problem of hooliganism by making it illegal, but somehow I get the feeling you kinda know this already. BTW, your way of life WAS my way of life - I just decided to do more with mine. I hope you do go on your peasant march, you do realise that the pigs will probably kick the shit out of you just like they did us at the anti-capitalist demonstration.

By chut on Wednesday, August 7, 2002 - 10:03 pm:

Hunting is nish, and arguments caliming it to be pest control or 'sport' are just jobbies. Is badger baiting a sport? People take enjoyment out of that, but, granted, no-one makes an honest living from it. However, it's nearly just as cruel. Could you try and tell me that a fox isn't very very scared when chased by hunt dogs? What about shooting of stags? Ever see the video where one was chased after being shot into the middle of a deep stream, with the dogs trying to get at it?

Obviously it is a bit of scaremongering, but at the end of the day, it is pretty cruel, and even the most short-sighted of us should be able to see that. With a bit more imagination, I'm sure the people who make a living from this could find another way to make a living. Where there's a will there's a way.

By coper on Wednesday, August 7, 2002 - 10:25 pm:

By coper on Wednesday, August 7, 2002 - 10:30 pm:

hmmm, no. sorry just testing something

By The voice of reason on Thursday, August 8, 2002 - 06:21 pm:

Cider boy = spiteful left wing ignorant fudge packer

By Pher on Thursday, August 8, 2002 - 06:43 pm:

CIDER BOY YOU ARROGANT FUCK-WITTED BASTARD! HOW DARE YOU IMPLY THAT EVERYBODY WHO HUNTS IS A FREAK! MAYBE IT ISNT THE KIND OF PAST-TIME THAT YOU ENJOY NOW, BUT THAT DOESNT GIVE YOU THE RIGHT TO TELL OTHERS THAT THEY CANT TAKE PART IN IT. MAYBE I DO HAVE A SOME-WHAT IDEALISTIC OUTLOOK ON OUR SOCIETY, BUT FOR SOME REASON I LIKE TO LOOK FOR THE GOOD IN EVERYTHING. MAYBE ITS JUST BECAUSE IM A NAIVE LITTLE COUNTRY BUMPKIN, AND THE DOG-EAT-DOG WAYS OF THE CITY ARE YET TO AFFECT ME. AND THE 'PIGS' WILL NOT KICK THE SHIT OUT OF THE MARCHERS, BECAUSE IT IS A PEACEFUL PROTEST, UNLIKE THE ANTI-CAPITOLIST RIOTS.
UNTIL YOU LEARN TO TREAT OTHERS AS YOU WISH TO BE TREATED, I SUGGEST YOU TAKE A SABBATICAL TO THINK ABOUT LIFE...THATS A POLITE WAY OF SAYING FUCK OFF, IF YOU HADNT REALISED.

By Pher on Thursday, August 8, 2002 - 06:49 pm:

And by the way, my 'simple line of reasoning', using the parallel of banning football, was intended to be just as ridiculous as the proposal to ban hunting. Just because a few people dont like it, shouldnt be enough reason for it to be banned. Get over it, Im not trying to stop you demonstating against capitolism, so dont you dare try to stand in the way of me when i try to stick up for MY beliefs.

By Come on Baby Stop Your Crying Now on Thursday, August 8, 2002 - 07:14 pm:

Shut up.

By gopher on Thursday, August 8, 2002 - 07:18 pm:

Go Pher!

By Quintal on Friday, August 9, 2002 - 04:53 am:

I'd like to see a big group of fuckwits on elephants with cheetahs on leashes come marching into the town when the fox-hunters have their little parade. "Chase 'em into the countryside and kill 'em."
That's what I call fun.

By Pher on Friday, August 9, 2002 - 10:31 am:

For fuck's sake, how many times do I have to say this? IT IS NOT A PRO-HUNTING MARCH, BUT A MARCH FOR THE ABILITY TO BE ABLE TO CHOSE WHAT WE DO WITH OUR SPARE TIME, RATHER THAN HAVE IT DICTATED TO US BY SOME TWAT IN A SUIT IN LONDON. It just shows ignorance if you continually believe that its just about hunting.

By fresh on Friday, August 9, 2002 - 10:55 am:

I don't know where I stand on this debate. On the one hand, I accept that it is often necessary to kill animals for food, medical testing etc. I don't have any problem with this, because I don't think of animals on the same level as people. I have been involved in an argument with a vegetarian friend over this, but it still boils down to the fact that if I was driving along a fast road in heavy traffic and a rabbit or deer runs out in front of me, I would run over the animal without hesitation if the other option was to crash into another car.

I can also understand the excitement of hunting as a sport, although for me, shooting, angling, hunting, coursing etc hold no attraction. There actually has to be an element of enjoyment in the kill doesn't there, or surely they could be replaced by things like those hunts where they follow an aniseed trail, or some other sport... I don't know much about them, but surely there are alternatives.

Also, I am unconvinced that hunting is the best way to kill foxes. The only hunts i have seen (and I also live as far into the country as you can get in southern England) have appeared to involve a lot of people, and take quite a lot of time, to kill one fox. It is definitely viewed by a few of my hunting aquaintances as a fun sport, with the need to keep down vermin not exactly a high priority, more of an excuse.

Finally, I hate to see the excuse of "it's a traditional way of life that will be eroded". Just because it goes on for a long time, what makes one way of life better or more justified than another? Killing people because of differences in religion etc has been going on for thousands of years, why not march against peace-mongering governments because they threaten a way of life? The main reason that I will not be going on the countryside march (and don't get me wrong, I do think some things worth preserving and campaigning for) is that the group of people that will definitely have their presence felt there are ignorant, bigoted xenophobes who are utterly convinced of their superiority over people who don't walk through shit for a living.

By Fox on Friday, August 9, 2002 - 12:38 pm:

Hear, hear.

By Pher on Friday, August 9, 2002 - 12:40 pm:

I take it that the 'ignorant bigoted xenophobes...' are the MPs who think they are sitting pretty in their suits, dictating to people how they should lead their lives???

By Fox on Friday, August 9, 2002 - 12:46 pm:

No...

By Pher on Friday, August 9, 2002 - 12:59 pm:

Hunting may not be the most efficient way of killing foxes, but it is the most natural and kindest. People who participate in field sports need the countryside to be upkept in order for it to be enjoyed by all. To use methods of control which damage the environment would only serve to shoot the hunt in the foot, so to speak. It seems that people miss the fact the hunts, shoots and other field sports take an active role in the upkeep and maintainance of the countryside with activities such as hedgelaying, reforestation, reintroduction of wildlife such as pheasants and partridge, the maintainance of healthy populations of foxes, deer and other wild animals, and by having a great and in-depth knowledge of the area and wild life around them. People are far too preoccupied with the idea that these ativities must be cruel because animals are killed. If you want to reach a judgement on something, find out about it first and then reach an informed conclusion, rather than jumping on the bandwagon.

By Fox on Friday, August 9, 2002 - 01:04 pm:

All right, I'm sold.
Kill me.

By Dead Fox #1 on Friday, August 9, 2002 - 03:30 pm:

x|

By Skrooie on Friday, August 9, 2002 - 05:56 pm:

It's the 'most natural and kindest' way to do it ? Come on, you don't really believe that do you ? You do make me titter.

Quintal and Fresh are talking sense today. My condolences to Mr Fox's family, but I'm assured he died in the 'most natural and kindest' way.

By Pher on Friday, August 9, 2002 - 06:02 pm:

Skrooie, for fuck's sake, grow up. Just because your view happens to oppose mine, dont insult my intelligence. If you had half the brain you'd like to think you do, you would make an informed judgement after finding out ALL the facts. Hunting IS the most natural and kindest way of culling foxes. After all, how much more natural can you get than an animal being killed by another animal? Its happening all the time. Its called life. Get over it.

By Skrooie on Friday, August 9, 2002 - 06:43 pm:

No, you grow up. I don't have to try fucking murdering my next door neighbour to make a judgement on it being right or wrong. Stop your fucking pish, whining about your rights being taken away from you. Use your fucking imagination and go and do something else, something creative, you stupid little bitch.

By Cider Boy on Friday, August 9, 2002 - 08:03 pm:

Well, thats the last of p(her)...ha ha ha

Come on Pher, just admit when you're beaten, do you honestly think that you can win this argument? It seems that too many of us like to wear "suits" and "dictate" to people what they can and can't kill.

By Pher on Friday, August 9, 2002 - 11:10 pm:

Just how fucking arrogant can you get? Whatever makes you think that you are somehow better than me? Just because you dont happen to agree with the way I chose to live my life, doesnt give you any justification for deciding for me that I cant carry on. I didnt chose this life, I was born into it, but now Im here I like it, and nothing and nobody will stop me carrying it on. I may be the bane of your lives, but I dont see why I should stand back and let you destroy entire communities, especially when it is pretty evident that the majority of you have precisely no idea what you are talking about.
Why the fuck shouldnt I whine about my rights being taken away from me? They are after all, my rights. A few twats in suits shouldnt have the ability to destroy peoples lives like that.
As for using my imagination, I do. At present im taking my A levels in the hope of eventually becoming a criminologist. I have also spent a great deal of time indulging in art, and interior design. If thats not creative, I dont know what is. And yes, I do believe that I could win this arguement if people were to do me the courtesy of making an informed arguement, rather than attempting to preach to me from their moral high-horse.

By Skrooie on Friday, August 9, 2002 - 11:37 pm:

We are just having a mass debate.

How arrogant can we get ? I can get a lot more arrogant than this, toots, just ask Chut the Mango.

I'M THE KING OF THE WORLD!! WOOOOOO !!

Criminology ? Aye, you should be locked up.

By Pher on Saturday, August 10, 2002 - 11:10 am:

Dont patronise me.
And would you care to explain why I should be locked up?

By Skrooie on Saturday, August 10, 2002 - 11:21 am:

Because you're an arse.

By Pher on Saturday, August 10, 2002 - 02:22 pm:

No Skrooie, I have an arse. Im sitting on it now. You really should have paid attention in your biology lessons, shouldn't you?
It's a shame stupidity isnt painful, because you would be crippled in agony.

By Simon on Saturday, August 10, 2002 - 02:54 pm:

Rock me, Amadeus.

By Sarki on Saturday, August 10, 2002 - 02:59 pm:

Is this what this debate has been reduced to? Calling people arses and such like?
After everything that's been said on here, I haven't once heard a valid point towards banning hunting from the anti's. They just assume that all people FOR foxing are people that do it because they are so poorly educated on the subject.
I've never been fox hunting and most likely never will, whether it's fecking banned or not.
I do, however, object to banning it due to my principles, and unless someone comes up with a good strong valid reason otherwise, I wont ever change my opinion or give up fighting.
I'm all for stopping animals suffering, but I still cannot see how banning fox hunting will stop foxes suffering or save a single life.
Hmmmmm.
To be honest, all I have gained from this debate is that we live in a society full of thick, ignorant, poncey wankers. Nevermind eh, at least I still got my guitar.

By chut on Saturday, August 10, 2002 - 07:55 pm:

If these same people are restoring hedges and what-not, and looking after partridges, why don't they use the time they would use fox-hunting to pursue these activities?
Nobody's trying to take a way of life away from you. If somebody told me the pub had to close an hour earlier from now on, I wouldn't be bleating about it having irreversibly ceased my social life now, would I?

By Skrooie on Saturday, August 10, 2002 - 08:16 pm:

Oooh Pher, you're so tough. I'm so frightened of you. Is Daddy going to release the hounds now ?

Sarki, I liked you better when you just caused trouble, you bum licking little shit. Just because you fancy a bit of posh totti like Pher, doesn't mean her Mummy and Daddy would let a greasy fuckin' Manc like you into her drawers.

Of course the topic has degenerated into calling people arses and so forth. This message board was never the place for intelligent debate, Sarki, you spent most of your online career making sure that was the case.

Hahaha !! Look at me now ! I'm doing your job for you, you fuckwit !! You can fuck off back to your cave in Manchester and pick your bum for the rest of eternity !

COPING IS MINE !! BLURCHAT IS MINE !!

Lets get a new campaign going. Hahahah.

Just kidding, btw.

By Cider Boy on Sunday, August 11, 2002 - 12:17 am:

People who ride horses have big arses.

By Pher on Sunday, August 11, 2002 - 02:32 pm:

Yes, Cider boy, it helps with balancing =)