-Train system sucks shit
-mad cow disease
-foot and mouth disease
-filthy pigeons and birds are diseased everywhere
-UK is a minor country in the EU. They've become
the waterboy for the US and suck the testicles of
France and England.
-oral hygeine is pathetic
-country is so filled with homosexual males. no
wonder England is no longer a superpower and had
to be bailed out by the US
-inbreeding

By Uncle Sam on Tuesday, March 6, 2001 - 07:33 am:

Oops, I mean France and Germany.

By wakey on Tuesday, March 6, 2001 - 10:57 am:

i see theres been another high school shooting in america !!!!!!!

By evil_eye on Tuesday, March 6, 2001 - 12:49 pm:

Uncle Sam....if you're trying to wind us up....you have! (damn, i shouldn't say that...)...but to play along with your little wind up:
the train system isn't shit - although their have been some major cock ups by railtrack and the recent freak accident
the meat diseases ARE NOT specific to just our country...meat is imported from lots of countries you great big twat, and we are not alone in the bse crisis (although you would fail to realise this being american , aka IGNORANT)
oral hygene?....wtf are you on about you dozy pillock...
homosexual males?....homophobic scum = typical fat american (apologies to the nice american people)
and all the other shit about inbreeding and superpower etc...i couldn't really give a fuck what you think , coming from a country that may aswell build a wall around its coast and never make outside contact with the rest of the human population again....the only BIG crap mistake about England is YOU...we made you and found america....what a fucking mistake

By hmmmm on Tuesday, March 6, 2001 - 03:02 pm:

I was watch bbc news 24 at some ungodly hour of this morning and after the world news round up they showed the ABC world news from america.

World News? I was quite impressed by the size of their world. Where the bbc showed news from croatia, usa, portugal, holland, south africa, japan, etc, the abc world news showed news from california and washington dc. That's right, there were just 2 news stories in the whole thing, the first being another high school shooting and the second was the vice presedents stay in hospital. There was another bit about how there was no weather and an "and finally" about some pension scheme but that was the "world news".

No wonder American don't know dick about anything outside their borders. And now they have George W (Latin American people speak latin, right?) Bush as the head of state I can see it getting worse.

I actually find it quite amusing how the people of the usa have elected a complete idiot into office, but that's another thing...

Lukas (Jugs)

By Uncle Sam on Tuesday, March 6, 2001 - 04:15 pm:

Evil Eye said,

the only BIG crap mistake
about England is YOU...we made you and found america....what a fucking mistake

Are you inferior because your ancestors lost to us
in the war or are you just inferior?

We left England because your sissy assed
King were butchering people left and right for their religious beliefs you ignorant putrid piece of inferior dogshit. I would fucking leave England in a New York minute
after seeing you weak arrogant fucks with your crooked teeth, retarded looking royal family, and your smelly breath as well all the dead diseased pigeons, sheep, and cows lying around the across your fucked up little country.

By BostonTeaParty on Wednesday, March 7, 2001 - 03:47 am:

Well said Uncle Sam. Oh and if you think Gore would have been a better president you are blind and a complete fucking idiot.

By alex on Wednesday, March 7, 2001 - 05:09 am:

I'm from the states.( which, I dont actually enjoy, after I graduate HS, I'm going to New York for university and some culture, and then I intend to spend the rest of my life in London, forever and ever...and ever) and just so you know, while the majorities of us are a bunch half wits, not all of us are. Quite frankly Britain, along with the rest of the world, including the states has a majority of stupid stupid people, just deal. When stupid people from two different countries get together, then there tends to be some kind of patriotism and fighting, I suggest we on the board pay no mind to this vigilantee atack.
Oh, and I'm a homosexual, big ol' fag actually, and what the fuck does it mean uncle sam, are you proposing a country predominately filled with gays are less likely to succeed? Gay men tend to be the have the highest success rate out of all demographic's of people, its true. If you think about it, it makes sense. Highly ambitious, personable, to snobby to ever slack off and be..dare I say..'poor'. So, to you uncle sam, go suck something unpleasent.

By L on Wednesday, March 7, 2001 - 05:13 am:

By alex on Wednesday, March 7, 2001 - 05:16 am:

Ah, the Kid A bear... I sleep with a large one over head, or atleast I used to(remodeling) and in the begining it was simply disturbing, however it became quite setteling after some time...

By Toby on Wednesday, March 7, 2001 - 06:44 am:

I definitely think there's loads and loads of stupid people everywhere, and more often then not I'd have to include my own self in there, but how dumb do you have to be to stay poor/hungry/homeless in a 3rd world country?

You can be poor/hungry/homeless anywhere in the goddamned world. You don't have to stay in some hotter than hell, war torn, shit hole and be poor/hungry/homeless with millions of other people as dumb as yourself. America and Britian certainly aren't perfect, but you don't see people lining up to immigrate to frickin' Somalia, Meanmar, Mexico, Thailand or bleeding Iraq!

I have nothing but the utmost respect for the illegal immigrants that manage to sneak into the US and forge even the smallest bit of human life for themselves. Managing to live in a foreign country with little or no money to start with, and knowing only the english they managed to learn watching reruns of Love Boat, Bonanza and Xena. They're the bright ones.

Sorry for the Rant, but I needed to say that.

Oh, and a giant FUCK OFF! to Uncle Sam for his blatant and moronic homophobia. What do you care if somebody's a puff? I'm straight, but as long as somebody's not sticking their dick in my ass what the fuck do I care? Different strokes for different folks. Grow up Douche Bag.

By evil_eye on Wednesday, March 7, 2001 - 09:54 am:

I think i should let people know that i'm DEFINATELY NOT a proud defender of britain or anything, i'm just defending it against an obviously jealous uncle sam. i'm so sorry you feel that way sam...(err, actualy i'm not...)but when you say 'us' when referring to a war, you actualy mean US?!! you are not american , you are a possible number of races...the only real americans are the native americans. And so it would appear that england hasn't got much to be proud of (going to a country taking it over then having war against itself)...BUT your ancestors are the people that did this!!!and what a mistake...all i ever hear about america is its fakeness, homophobia and ignorance....it looks like britain managed to evolve since finding america and you lot just stayed the same

By peter on Wednesday, March 7, 2001 - 10:28 am:

America just tries to stick its big nose into everything and muck it up and leave the mess.
Then they come back out and try to settle things as if they had nothing to do with it. Now there's bush here.. oh my
when will they learn. They (america) produce so much waste and think that trying to produce loadsa missiles is doing any good to world peace- which should never come about in my lifetime I don't think..

Ok, I apologise for being so bias.

By peter on Wednesday, March 7, 2001 - 10:37 am:

the majority of americans seem so fucked up. It's unbearable listening to all them speak their american-english.
Fuck, america we're talking about hear, its that country that's become more ands more fucked up, especially with such people like uncle sam here.
america is a very young civilisation, anyway it isn't even civilised. They want to be their own superpower, bush has the plans in mind.

I mean, fuck they can't even organise a simple voting thing properly. Just a pure disgrace.
Yes, their idea of the World News is what happens in their own 51 states.. is it 51? they can't give about the people in japan and new zealand.

Yeah, they love bombing every other country, america is too stubborn to agree, they dissed this global plan thing to stop pollution..

I have nothing really big about americans, so sorry to all those nice ones out there. I enjoy england, a nice place.

By Uncle Sam on Wednesday, March 7, 2001 - 06:00 pm:

When are you shits going to answer my question:
"Why is England such a fucked up country" instead
of obsessing over my supposed homophobia(which i am not) which all you brits seem to care about?
Your fucking dirty little country is diseased to the hilt and all you Brits are worried about homophobia. How sad is that?
If all you brits care about is putting ones dick in some guys asshole and getting your nuts dirtied with poo, then it's really no wonder why your country suck behind the rest of Europe
like Germany and France.

Furthermore,You fucking arrogant Brits are such ungrateful bitches. We
rescued you weak cunts in WWII and this is the thanks the US gets? If it were not for us you'd be speaking kraut. You pathetic losers are jealous because
your British Empire crumbled a long time ago and
are now relegated as being the United States' poodle in world politics.

Again, please answer my question:

WHY IS ENGLAND SUCH A FUCKED UP COUNTRY?

By evil_eye on Wednesday, March 7, 2001 - 06:59 pm:

okay sam, you have us, damn...i really DO envy you being in a country where you can get shot just going to school...and i really DO envy the fact that you have no identity...and i'm SO jealous of the brilliant 'history' and 'culture' America has.
i suppose we are fucked up because we are so wrapped up in jealousy...everyday, i wish i was in america getting fat, pissing the rest of the world off and being scared shitless to walk outside my door. YOU ARE SO LUCKY. Oh, and don't forget that you rule in music too....i mean blur are american aren't they?!....oh and i love the way americans are so witty and ironic....what a lovely, clever man you are!

By evil_eye on Wednesday, March 7, 2001 - 08:06 pm:

and do you honestly think YOU one the war for us?...you helped and is very much appreciated, but to think you won the war is just a good example of the ignorance you present to us. why? why be so damn up yourself for?...do you think it will make us like you, or do you SERIOUSLY think that you are the best? If so, i think you need to get a bit more culture and education into your bones mate.

By UNCLE SAM on Wednesday, March 7, 2001 - 09:06 pm:

Evil Eye,

Calm down little one. I'm not out to get you. Just wondering why your fucked up little country is so fucked up that's all.

Your comments on our lack of culture is really
amusing though since your people are filled to the
brim with their crooked teeth, bad breath, and awful tasting food. BTW, where do you think rock
and roll came from dumbass? Yep, that's right, the
US. By the way speaking of Blur, I think Damon hit
it right on the money when he stated that today,
"It's become hip to be an idiot in England". At least Blur appreciate Pavement and Beck and Graham
is heavily into American hardcore. England used
to be a great country. Now it's just filled with
arrogant feminized men with a massive inferiority
complex. Anyway, so much for British culture.

Your comments about Americans as a country of obese people is amusing as well. By the way, how
many medals did the UK win at the last Summer Olympics compared to the US? The US rocks and you
suck.

BTW evil one, I do have several things that I envy about England.

I really do envy you being in a country where can you
get clubbed and die just going to a soccer game.

I envy that Britain's internet and telephone system are excruciatingly SLOW and EXPENSIVE

I also envy that you Brits are taxed out beyond belief (TVLicence,VAT,Income-Tax,Council-tax,Road-Tax, Tobacco,Petrol,Booze etc)

I also envy that you pay the same (or more) in Pounds for goods that Americans pay in Dollars

I envy that your technology is lagging atleast 5 years behind everyone elses. By the way evil, what
cpu does your computer run on. Gee, could it be an
American cpu made by Intel or AMD? We own you bitch.

I also envy that your government is clueless, they don`t know their arse from their elbow on how to
handle the diseases that have inflicted on your
filthy insignificant little country.

It seems you Brits are the one who needs a bit more culture and education. Remember we more than
fucking helped your little country. Remember the
Marshall Plan dumbfuck? We fucking rebuilt and rehabilated your asses you ignorant and ungrateful
little pussy.

Again, please answer the question:

WHY IS ENGLAND SUCH A FUCKED UP COUNTRY?

By alex on Wednesday, March 7, 2001 - 10:24 pm:

Uncle Sam, in america we dont use words like "petrol" nor do we spell ass, "arse". I get the impression your just roughty englishman(or scottish or welsh, ha! the welsh!

By evil_eye on Wednesday, March 7, 2001 - 10:25 pm:

aww...is uncle sam getting a little upset?...why bother posting about England if you hate it so much...could it be that your out for a bit of attention?...your remarks about england hint towards a little jealousy...split up with an english girlfriend recently?...got rejectd at an english uni?...hmm
to answer your abuse *ahem* questions - you seem to be pondering on the state of affairs of the foot and mouth out break...yes i agree it is horrible, but wtf has that got to do with england being 'fucked up'? don't many countries have their share of problems or accidents?...but what makes england so more fucked up than america in your eyes, i mean really?...oh and i like a lot of american bands, but i think we have an edge over the music scene and always have, however this is just my opinion.
anyway , your insults don't deserve proper answers and you are clearly not out to debate only insult so FUCK YOU.

By hallie on Wednesday, March 7, 2001 - 11:05 pm:

hey alex, what advice would you give to a 19 yr old boy who wasn't sure if he was gay or not? (or if he wanted other boys?...)
(come on, it's serious, don't laugh, he's very scared and confused... ) thanks, and have a great day!
love, nat.

By alex on Wednesday, March 7, 2001 - 11:40 pm:

Nat,
This is a slightly public forum to be discussing this really, but I suppose if your comfortable with it then fine, I dont care really.
Er..Chances are if youre questioning your sexuality and feel some kind of attraction to other boys, then you probably are, and its totally fine to be scared, confused, whatever. Most people will get depressed, I did. Dont feel compelled to start getting "in touch" with the gay community. Its disgusting, filled with a bunch of old queens that will very well scare you and send you back into confussion. You can if you'd like, its comforting sometimes to read magazines or watch movies(I'd recomend an incredible frech movie, which is'nt really even about gay things, but it kind of is, Wild Reeds)
I dont know what to tell you really, but I know that its easy to repress something you've been taught is wrong or wierd, I did, but I grew up in an open enough enviroment not to be totally ashamed, but the world on a hole does a good job of doing that for you. Just know who you are and be happy with it. There's nothing you can do about it, I have friends, and I go in and out of this, that wish they where straight, that feeling does'nt go away, be happy about yourself and find the things in life that you enjoy and focus on that, your sexuality should'nt be what defines you, remember that.
I dont know, we could continue this some other time, but I'm tired now, and not in the mood.(and dont pay attention to the people on here that made those comments about "penis'" and "asses" and things, thats disgusting and I could imagine made you uncomfortable coming from straight men)
That an other thing, dont feel like the odd guy out, like your inferior because of your sexuality, I did, I still do sometimes in certain things, but you know what, just because your gay has no pull on weather your good in something, opossing the stereotype gays are sissy things with limp wrists that cant play sports, sure you can, I dont, I'm artist, but I know someone, kind of liked alot*blush* that played many many sports and things, and was only friends with straight guys, so fuck stereotypes!

By BostonTeaParty on Wednesday, March 7, 2001 - 11:55 pm:

THATS RIGHT FUCK ENGLAND WE OWN YOU BITCH. GOOD THING ARE GOVERNMENTS GET ALONG OR WE WOULD HAVE DESTROYED YOU THINK ABOUT IT ITS TRUE. SO FUCK OFF YOU ARE UNGRATEFUL LITTLE SLUTS ENGLAND IS ARE BEER BITCH. STARS AND STRIPES FOREVER.

By Uncle Sam on Thursday, March 8, 2001 - 12:22 am:

Thanks Alex and Evil. You've just proven what
ungrateful little pussies you are by not debating
the facts. I was just curious as to why your
country is so fucking diseased with dead pigeons
and cows and again all you want to do is give
boring dissertations on how it feels to be gay.

Can you fruits please let me know at least how
your fucked up little country has become so diseased? Sheesh, is it too much to ask or are
you just plain too dumb to answer?

By The Occifer on Thursday, March 8, 2001 - 02:42 am:

Are you people so proud and patriotic ( I LOVE ME COUNTRY!!!!111 IT'S THE BESTEST!!!!!!1) that you are actually taking this conversation seriously?

Oh my gawd. How passe.

By Rob on Thursday, March 8, 2001 - 03:21 am:

Hi,

I've not posted here before but I'd just like to point out that your question is just slightly loaded. You're stating the fact and asking why England is fucked up. You should be posing a question like: Is England fucked up? Please reply with examples supporting your arguments.

Personally I don't think England is fucked up. Sure, we're having a bit of trouble recently with foot and mouth disease but that can, and does, happen to everyone. And the BSE (mad cow disease) that was a problem is also a problem for everyone. Everyone else just wrote their cases off as rabies. We didn't have that luxury...

I'm not sure where you got the view that our dental hygiene is lacking in this country but it was probably the same type of place which makes English people think all Americans are fat and stupid... I get that idea from the fact the vast majority of Americans I've met are fat and stupid but I know that doesn't go for the handful that aren't.

I personally think that there are a great many things that put, and keep, the Great in Great Britain. Then I also see a lot of things wrong with the USA, the first and foremost being their total ignorance of things outside their own borders. Still, I don't think it's anyone's place to judge another's culture. Sure, England might be slightly behind the USA in technology, but then probably every other country is, apart from maybe Japan. But then again, our armed forces are just as advanced, if not more so, than our American counterparts.

Overall, I think the United States and the United Kingdom have more in common than differences. That is fine by me but just remember, if we were all the same their would be no national identities and it would all be pointless. In England 200 miles is a long way, in America 200 years is a long time ago.

I'm not really sure how to end this message, I feel I could say a lot more but I don't think I'll bother. America is just as fucked up, in my view, as England, but it's just what you're used to. We are used to our higher taxes, you are used to having to pay for your health service. We are used to the fact we once had a football hooligan problem (which is no longer a problem), you are used to being afraid to stop to help someone by the side of the road for fear of being shot. We are used to paying extra for our TV services, you are used to having 100 channels of shit and adverts every 5 minutes in your sporting events. We are used to having homosexuals as a part of our culture (and gay mp's), you are used to the KKK advertising themselves legally on roadsides.
Also, we are proud that we have a long history, of having one of the largest empires in history, proud of our monarchy (say 'the royal family' or 'the queen' anywhere in the world and everyone knows who you mean), proud of our currency (the British gold sovereign is still the only coin accepted in every country around the world), proud of our national institutions and much more. You are proud that you are the biggest and richest country in the world and that your food tastes better than ours (again, which is down to individual taste molded by environment). But then, what is an American food, burgers?. Actually, I'm not sure what else you are proud of, apart from the fact you are bigger and richer than everyone else. In the interest of me not making your big and rich country appear rather shallow, how about listing some things you're proud of.

Thanks
yours:rob

ps
theres = there's
their = there
hear = here
one = won
ARE = OUR

By peter on Thursday, March 8, 2001 - 09:17 am:

well someone actually bothered.. I thought I tried

By evil_eye on Thursday, March 8, 2001 - 09:28 am:

well done rob...you have the knack of "take this you bastard" without the crudeness...maybe uncle sam will open his eyes.

By peter on Thursday, March 8, 2001 - 09:32 am:

Uncle Sam probably never expected such response, nevertheless it defends the truth quite appropriately

By The Plain Truth. on Thursday, March 8, 2001 - 10:50 am:

The most I recall about England was those ultra conservative, pseudo-sensational sexist tabloids - News of the "World" et al.

In the 16th Century, two Queens of England - Anne Boleyn & Katharine Howard - were beheaded by their fat, impotent hubby Henry VIII & figuratively speaking, a mean spirited public did the same thing to poor Princess Diana over 400 years later. This PROVES that all English people (yes, PEOPLE!!!!1) are misogynists.
And they say times have changed.

By evil_eye on Thursday, March 8, 2001 - 11:00 am:

I appreciate the fact that you have used 'english student/teacher' style vocabulary to phrase that attack, but fail to see how it is our fault for the death of Diana, who i couldn't really give a toss about anyway (ooh controversial!!)
it seems the americans cared more for the "poor" princess Diana than the English, which really goes to show that americans love to put on a show without any real emotion aka drama queens.
Anyway, why were you reading such trash?

By peter on Thursday, March 8, 2001 - 11:29 am:

the fact that it was on the news for ages, it is impossible not to have read or heard massive chunks of detail about it.
Why is it that when a member of the Royal family dies, so many start grieving their tears off.

By The Plain Trooth. on Thursday, March 8, 2001 - 11:45 am:

1) Why do you automatically assume anyone who expresses anti British sentiments has to be a Yank?
2) It's so bloody predictable to say you don't give a toss about Diana.
C) I was being tongue in cheek
D) I dig the Royal family. Hell, I voted against Australia becoming a Republic (hint hint).
5) The corrollary, as I see it, is that nobody REALLY gave a toss about Diana until she died. Everyone just made fun of her. Likewise, Anne Boleyn was despised by the British people all through out her reign. She was known as 'the Great Whore', and her daughter, the future Elizabeth I was called 'The Little Whore' (but boy, did she ever sock it to 'em when she grew up.)
6) I read 'News of the World' with a critical eye.
G) It is sad, but true that I found most English people objectionable, but that was only my subjective experience.
Any way...
8) I agree with Occifer. This topic is too deliberately provocative to bother taking seriously.

By peter on Thursday, March 8, 2001 - 11:50 am:

nevertheless we have made some interesting points.

By evil_eye on Thursday, March 8, 2001 - 02:30 pm:

why is it predictable?...it is the truth, so i'm honest?...SHOOT ME!

By GFI on Thursday, March 8, 2001 - 09:19 pm:

First of all, I have no comments about the homophobic words of Uncle Sam... I lived for a while in US and thank God not all the americans share the same opinions...

No country's perfect that's true, but Toby: before saying so many stupid things about 3rd world countries, try to educate yourself about their reality...

I'm from Brazil and watch your mouth to talk about us, we're not a shit hole, ok?? It's really easy to just call countries like Somalia this way after going there, screwing the whole thing up and leaving that way like England did during colonialism... I'm not attacking Britain, I even feel an affection for that country and the ppl from it, but if u studied that in history class you'd know it's true...

The same thing about US, that supported and sponsored dictatorships all over Latin America, keeping even stronger our economic dependency... And then u say we're fucked up....

Very clever to stay richer on other countries' poverty....

It doesn't only take intelligence to leave your own country when you're poor... it also takes money and a few other things, depending on where u live and in which level of poverty you're in.

You really don't know what poverty is...

By nathallie on Thursday, March 8, 2001 - 11:39 pm:

see, alex, it is perfectly comfortable for me ('cos i am a female, and i really am talking in behalf of a friend, so it doesn't really affect me too much, you seeing?)

wow. i didn't even read all of rob's message (too tired now). caught a bit. i'm north american (canadian) (and alex, my friend is in england, and i know what you mean about hard to come by music)

alright? thanks to all!
love, nat.

By alex on Friday, March 9, 2001 - 02:12 am:

Oh, well then, there, I tried my damndest.
Where in Canada are you? I've spent my last two vacations in British Colombia and most recently in Quebec. I'm a big fan of Quebec, liked it more then BC. I have a couple friends that live in Toronto though, I still am a Lucien Bouchard suporter though ;) Viva le Parti-Sepratist! "Je me souviens"

By be reasonable on Friday, March 9, 2001 - 03:30 am:

of course there is more problems in america its 100 times bigger. plus the diversity which some people think is a good really most of the time just creates a problem. also usa has a very glorified past and its a very very remarkable story. i mean c'mon the country is just over 200 years old thats nothing. then for people to move from over in england in a short time create a population and then fight for there land and what they believed in so strong. that my friends deserves credit. besides doesn't england have a very evil past?

By Toby on Friday, March 9, 2001 - 12:45 pm:

No, GFI, I really don't know what poverty is, because I've never lived in a 3rd World shithole. But if I did I'd like to think I'd do anything and everything to get my ass someplace else.

And I've never been part of any grand conspiracy to rape and pillage south and central American countries. In fact, I'm all for helping to support and build up you poorer countries, but why send aid when it gets abused by the rich few that run your countries? If you don't like your government, fucking throw them out or kill the sons-of-bitches.

You don't seem to have it all that bad though. You've got a computer and internet access and spare time enough to waste at a blur chat room of all places. Millions and millions of people are homeless and starving in your country and you waste precious money so you can chat about blur? How many people in your country just died of hunger while you were expensively typing up your little retort to me? You've got a lot of nerve attacking me when you yourself aren't doing everything in your power to make life in your country better.

And by the way, I don't know that the US has done all that much to fuck up your country. Blame the Europeans. We were too busy fucking over the Indians and Mexico.


Write me back when Americans besides either drug smugglers or criminals try to sneak into your country.

By Uncle Sam on Friday, March 9, 2001 - 04:00 pm:

GFI, why don't you go back to your shithole country and do something to improve it instead
of wasting your time blaming your country's problems on the US? I grow tired of turd worlders
who bitch about the US, when their countries are cesspools of corruption, graft, and laziness. If
your shithole country is economically dependent
on the US, you really have yourselves to blame don't you? Even when we do help, where do you think the money goes to in your banana republic?
Do you fucking see China taking shit from anyone
else? God knows how the Chinese were buttfucked in the ass by England in the 19th century and you don't see them pathetically for handouts ad nauseaum. No GFI, if your country is economically
dependent on us, it's because your governments
have failed and your people have fucked up. You did it to yourselves.

By evil_eye on Friday, March 9, 2001 - 04:05 pm:

fuck you!...SHIT, i thought you were here just trying to wind a few brits up and all that, but those comments to gfi are fucking out of order you dicks!!

By gfi on Saturday, March 10, 2001 - 05:50 pm:

Toby, I was not trying to attack you or any country or whatever, I personally think that this little americans x british fight is way too silly. I just bothered writing cos I was offended by the way you called 3rd world countries. You were right about something, though. You've never lived here, so I don't think u can classificate as a shithole something you don’t know. I don't blame you, what u get from countries like mine are a very twisted idea that Brazil's a huge forest and we speak Spanish while walking naked on the beach with elephants and snakes...

No country is perfect, all of them have its great and bad things, so it’s stupid to discuss which one is better, and that is the TRULY waste of time, I believe. You don’t know what poverty is, and neither do I! Even living in 3rd world place... But I probably live in a country where you can get closer to the situation and know better about it. Someone who lives in total poverty is not even healthy enough to think about escaping to get a better life, he’s more worried if he’ll get something for him and his family to eat on the next day, this is how it works… Go somewhere else requires money. I’m definitely not rich, but yes, I still consider myself privileged for being able to eat well, get a good education and be here, talking to you on Internet, cos I know most of the ppl who lives here can’t.

I don’t blame entirely US for our economic situation, we have until now a few bad citizens who don’t give a shit about this country and are just worried to fill their pockets with money. They’re the same ones who tried to sell us to US during dictatorship, and yet it doesn’t mean we have to stop fighting for changes.

Once more you talked about something you don’t even know... How can u be so sure that I don’t do anything to help my country??? And yes, I have more nerve than you can possibly think, especially when I see lack of respect. I was not attacking you, but I was being indignant about the way you talked about other ppl’s country, including mine. There are places in a much worse situation than mine, like Ethiopia and Somalia and so many others, and still I don’t think they’re shithole. Each place had its own history, and I don’t think we should ignore it and disrespect it. One thing I talk about US and you get all defensive, at least the british are self-criticals! Geeeez... Every country has its own problems and mistakes, right?

And since you don’t know about it, try to find something on Chile’s dictatorship process, very interesting reading, really. Wait, that was a silly suggestion, sorry... You talked about fucking up Indians and Mexicans as if it was something so right and natural, forget it then...

If one day you decide to leave your country and make us a little visit, you’d see we’re much more than a place made of drug smugglers and criminals. Guess what? You might even like it!

And thanks evil eye, you seem to be the only one here who understood that I was attacking no one...

By Andy on Sunday, March 11, 2001 - 02:23 am:

So this is the evolved Coping.
Messages seem like essays and postings seem to be so aimed at patriotism.
And yes GFI we know you didn't mean it. Why do people take things so damn seriously these days?

By Toby on Sunday, March 11, 2001 - 06:58 am:

I'm not exactly in the mood or condition to make a doctoral dissertation at the moment, but just to say a few things:

- I'll be the first person to attack America. How can you not? Our president is a coke snorting idiot who happens to have been born into the right family (200 years after we throw england off our backs we attempt to recreate their monarchy), We have homelessness, poverty, etc, and the Governor of my state is a former professional wrestler! But at the end of the day, I love living here, and wouldn't ever think of anywhere else as my permenant home. But that isn't so with third world countries. There are millons of people who have moved to this country in the past ten years in search of a better life. People I've known, and some I'm still friends with. Yes, they love their countries in spirit, but they don't live there because the conditions are so horribly intolerable. At the end of the day, there are tens of millions of people who live in this country because their country of birth is a shithole. I have no doubt that there have been plenty of Nazi's and other assorted criminals who have chosen to live in Brazil for no other reason than, well, who else would accept them freely, but I doubt that there are many Americans who live in Brazil because they found life here intolerable.

- You'd be amazed at the stuff I read. If it's in english, please pass on some Chilean Dictarorship titles. Just click my name for my email.

- You can move freely if you don't have money. If you don't know where your next meal is gonna come from, why be dirt poor where you were born, why not keep moving north until you find youself in America or someplace else? The homeless of America live like kings compared to those in the third world.

- Fight for change! That's exactly my sentiment and what I said in my initial posting. If you can't make a decent life for yourself in your country, then make a better life somewhere else. You have nothing to lose. I wasn't saying the 3rd World sucks, as much as I was saying find someplace to live where you can be successful and happy.


To sum up, you never see 18 americans hoping into a 4-man raft trying insanely and desperately to find a better life in Cuba, Somalia, Vietnam, Mexico or Brazil. Life has to be pretty shitty in a country to risk your life and abandon everything to live someplace else.

By L4L on Sunday, March 11, 2001 - 10:51 am:

Toby,

First of all, if you live in Mexico, yes, you don't need money...just cross the border and there you go! You're in US! But if you're in a place like Brazil, how do you suggest getting to US or europe or wherever?? Have you forgotten there's a long way of ocean to be crossed???

Listen, I've got nothing against anyone who tries to get a better life somewhere else, I really think we should do what we think it's best for us. But there are also a lot of others who prefers to stay and fight for better conditions in your own country. Have you imagined what would happen if everybody from 3rd world countries decided to go to the 1st ones?? That would make the life in those places unbearable...

I am brazilian and in spite of all the problems, I love where I live. I know that some ppl don't think the same as me, but I try everyday to make this country a better place to live. And I know that maybe it wasn't your intention to offend any of us, but calling our country a shithole isn't the best way to show it...Especially cause you've never been here...

Many ppl might be going to US searching for a better life, but that doesn't mean it's a great place to live...

Anyway, this whole discussion is getting to far...

By L4L on Sunday, March 11, 2001 - 11:01 am:

Just one more thing to say: (I swear this one won't be so long J)

I've got nothing against you americans, btw, I know some of them who are really nice...

But please, try to stop looking at yourselves as if you were the centre of the world and lay your eyes on the rest of the Earth! For your own good!You'll find out so many wonderful and interesting things...

By Lucky on Sunday, March 11, 2001 - 11:44 am:

Andy?
Andy as in Tosser/God Andy?

By eillahtan on Sunday, March 11, 2001 - 09:58 pm:

YEAH! is "THE" ANDY PANDY paying us a visit? oh say it's so.....